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The Gull
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
Thats not a carjacking, seems like cops angry because they didnt pull over to me. |
Doesn't sound like the ideal place for a carjacking. |
Where are some of your best places for a carjacking, Dave?
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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noproblemo2
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| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
Thats not a carjacking, seems like cops angry because they didnt pull over to me. |
Doesn't sound like the ideal place for a carjacking. |
Where are some of your best places for a carjacking, Dave? |
Maybe in broad daylight in front of Renes mail room????
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vandenberg
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I have one small difficulty with this report. If the traffic was going slow and merging into one lane, how were these alleged carjackers going to get
out of there once they had posession of the vehicle. Seems to me they would be kind of stranded in the middle of a traffic lane with nowhere to go
till the traffic came to an intersection or moved back to multiple lanes.??
Maybe just not too smart carjackers.
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susanna
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If i ever go back thru TJ i will make sure i take some wasp spray in my purse and if any one trys to do one of those i will spray them on the face.I
am glad the victim did the right thing.We need to be prepared for this type of stuff.
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
Where are some of your best places for a carjacking, Dave? |
Anywhere there's not much traffic flow.
Like not on a busy highway.
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josie
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Your wife must have been so scared and how difficult for you having to hear it over the phone and not be able to be there! Thank God she is ok!
To those of you questioning or criticizing I would suggest that unless you were there you have no clue as to what really happened. I can't believe how
calm Wooosh was to be able to post this info and I applaud his wife for being so brave. She knew how to do the right thing and all the people who
stopped to help are heroes to me.
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torch
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I love the wasp spray idea.
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torch
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and that is not the only defense I'll bring to a fight
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Now here's an interesting observation
About one hour after I posted that link to the Tijuana US Consulate's Warden Message, which has been out since January 14, 2010, AFN put it up as the
headline story:
http://afntijuana.info/blog/?p=27730
So, guess they read Baja Nomads. Who knew?
Anyways, they also added on to an earlier story about the US Consul's speech. Here are a few paragraphs:
| Quote: | "Se afirma que se han dado caso donde visitantes han sido violados, asaltados o secuestrados y se les ha mantenido privados de su libertad, en tanto
eran utilizadas sus tarjetas de crédito en varios negocios y cajeros automáticos.
Por eso les sugieren a los ciudadanos estadounidenses, ser muy cautelosos al utilizar cajeros automáticos en esta entidad.
En el caso de los secuestros, se advierte en esa información que el plagio, incluido el de personas no mexicanas “continúa a un ritmo alarmante” y que
los secuestros Express además de los intentos por obtener dinero rápido, a cambio de la liberación de una persona “se han producido en casi todas las
ciudades de México y parecen estar dirigidas a la clase media así como a los ricos”.
Luego advierte sobre otros hechos que se registran en ciudades y carreteras de México, sin embargo revela que el Consulado General establecido aquí en
Tijuana, recibe numerosas denuncias de extorsión por parte de agentes de la policía supuestamente en Baja California.
A veces los autores son agentes de la policía local y en otras ocasiones son delincuentes que utilizan uniformes falsos y credenciales."
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You can drop it in to Google to translate it. In summary it says there are cases where visitors to TJ have been raped, assaulted and kidnapped,
including holding them to use their ATM cards. It also says the kidnapping, "including kidnapping of non-Mexicans" continues at an "alarming rate."
The US Counsul General in TJ has also received numerous complaints of extorsion by the police.
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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Woooosh
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Thanks- for most of the comments anyway. Spent the day training a puppy and painting some interior door trim. A couple of my bigger nephews came to
the house to drink my beer, play loud music, keep me company and watch me work- as usual.
Yes, today wasn't fun and I aged a bit, but we really don't live in fear of things like this. We talk about our security in general, have some
specific plans, actually practice them and then enjoy every day. When we drive in the truck together we discuss the "what ifs" if we see something
irregular up ahead. We try to anticipate in a country where most people seem slow to just react. Pretty much like living in Israel I would imagine-
where everyone is militarily-trained and you are mentally ready for anything.
We do this because we have always felt we would be on our own when/if something bad happened to us or a guest. It's you, your family, your
connections... your friends- their families and their connections- like a "Web" built slowly with trust. That web is the only thing we and most
people trust down here.
It hasn't been one kidnap attempt Senor Pointyhead, it has been two- plus an extortion if you're keeping score. Sometimes I feel like a crash-test
dummy. We handle these things as best we can through our "Web"- without direct contact with the police. Why put your name out to potentially worse
people looking for victims? The police department is getting better at patrolling and neighborhood security though.
The events of the morning are pretty much accurate as in the first post. The black car came up from behind and then cut her off as she turned onto
the cloverleaf getting on to the via rapida from playas. She cranked the wheels to get around them, but didn't have enough room and couldn't back up.
She did get sideways enough to block the traffic lane though. The guy did not fully display the gun, but had it pushed into his jeans pocket- not in
a holster. Everyone did think it was a fender bender until the guys tried the door handles and started being very aggressive.
They were probably just local thugs or tweekers. Times are the hardest for young men in this area as I have ever seen them and that's who is doing
most of this- the uneducated, desperate and hopeless. Real criminals with a plan don't work in groups of two and stuff a .22 pistol in their pockets.
They use real guns in multiple vehicles. Real cops do wear badges and use gun holsters. They also don't try to break into your car while you're
screaming bloody murder at them.
We're very glad other people yelled and got out of their vehicles to see what the commotion was. Had she just pulled over where they tried to block
her in - the other cars would have just gone past thinking it was a traffic stop. It was a good day in the end for us actually. We are more
confident and know now to keep our guard up much much more.
No- it's not for everyone. No- we're not brain dead except for the "senior moments". Yes, we have had cousins in TJ chased away from their homes and
businesses when their children were threatened. This is where the family I love lives and the good of being here simply outweighs the safety risks.
Leave my wife's family, the dogs, the mother in laws chicken mole? No way. Every other Mexican faces these exact same risks every day with few of
the resources we have to resolve them.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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wessongroup
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Well, glad all is well .... just looked up stat's on the "act"
WOW.....Had no idea, thanks ...
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Bajahowodd
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Thanks for the follow-up, Woooosh. All the speculation and stuff aside, I had a feeling that I knew where your head and heart were on this. And I
understand completely. 
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Real cops do wear badges and use gun holsters. |
They do now. The state police had a fashion statement of their own once upon a time. They would carry their pistols tucked into the waist of their
Levis. No holsters.
When Ruffo became governor, he put a stop to the "legal thug" persona they portrayed.
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The Gull
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This entire thread was truly inspirational.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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Sharksbaja
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Nothing like a day in the life of Sr.Wooosh!!
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
Nomads\' Sunsets
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fishingmako
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A lady friend of ours was coming back home a couple of weeks ago from the States, and while going thru TJ was pulled over, and they took her wedding
rings, wallet, camera, and whatever else they found in the truck, they did point a Gun at her.
She did make some mistakes that she now realizes, #1 the number one no-no, driving at night.
How many of these things are going on? no one knows about, and not reported as she chose not to report it.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishingmako
she chose not to report it. |
I'm sorry to hear that although I'm sure she was thoroughly terrorized.
Now the guessing game can commence. Who was it?
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Woooosh
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we didn't report either. I don't know how you can measure crimes people don't report. It's not a low number though.
Is it just my bad memory- or weren't there pole mounted cameras all along that stretch of road (Playas to the Via Rapida and all the way to the
border) jst a few months ago??
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Woooosh
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Merged
Interesting the UT today also published a story about the Tijuana Mayors efforts to convince the USA to re-word its Travel Advisory he claims is
hurting Tijuana badly. I guess if you are kidnapped and brought into TJ- you aren't a tourist, so he is technically correct. I don't many people
would find that comforting though.
And exactly what does it take to be a crime targeting Americans? Does the crook need to ask for your passport first? Clearly the two recent
carjackings of US plated cars occupied by US citizens in Rosarito doesn't qualify. Clearly the attempted carjacking of my spuose last week doesn't
either. So what does?
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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mtgoat666
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Clearly the attempted carjacking of my spuose last week doesn't either. So what does? |
you said you would not report it to police, so mayor does not know it happened
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