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bajabass
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| Quote: | Originally posted by morgaine7
Oh, we're still smug. We figure they already caught the major bad guys.
BTW, water isn't exactly warm at this time of year, and at midday I was out with a heavy sweater and jacket! 
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Don't let my wife hear about chilly weather. We should be moving down to the danger zone of BCS
pretty soon!
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tehag
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Taxes
Loreto property tax went up 1,000% for me the year before last. I demanded an explanation and was walked through the new system. They have a computer
program that uses Google-style overhead images of all the properties to calculate the new taxes from the apparent construction as well as the
boundaries and location of the property. I was able to convince them that the large round structure that accounted for about a third of my own
increase is a laurel tree with a hammock under it. They adjusted it out, but that was the best I could do. The community of Loreto is learning that
electing a party (PRD) different from those in federal power (PAN) can leave them a bit short of funds. That may go a long way toward explaining the
new deal on taxes. They also have adopted a zoning scheme where some areas are taxed at rates much higher than others. The map of the zones follows
the coast mostly, but jogs abruptly inland in “certain neighborhoods.”
As far as the original post goes, I hear no big buzz around here about Yee being jailed for anything.
Certainty is the child of ignorance, knowledge is the mother of doubt. Question everything!
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elizabeth
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| Quote: | Originally posted by djh
Regarding property taxes: My Loreto property taxes quadrupled between Jan 2008 and Jan 2010. Most of that right after the new administration....
Granted, they were quite affordable compared to up north, and I am certainly willing to pay my fair share for the community good.... But
quadrupled...? The amount of taxes went way up while the discount for early payment went waaaay down.
I WOULD like to know if this is the same for everyone in Loreto, Mexicans and FM2 / FM3 holders or if there is a different formula for each.
As for the rest.... I am all ears and smiles . . . .  I enjoy a little local
spice and color !
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My Loreto taxes were exactly the same this year as last. Didn't pay much attention to the early pay discount, but I think it must be about the same
as well since the total was the same. Of course, my property isn't in as fancy a neighborhood as yours!!!
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tehag, thanks for sharing the information
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elizabeth
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| Quote: | Originally posted by flyfishinPam
| Quote: | Originally posted by elizabeth
Yuan Yee is PRD...he has a lot of disaffected PAN folks who gossip about him.
Before we all decide this is true, maybe we should wait for some proof. If anyone has proof, not gossip, maybe they should post it.
I don't know if some of the story, all of the story, or none of the story is true. I do know that the story has grown some since I first heard it.
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well for sure it makes for very choice joke material in english and spanish. we gotta work with what we have on our limited resources down here ya
know. Loreto so far has been found to be very rich in this particular one. |
You made me laugh out loud with that one...it is true, of the limited resources available, Loreto is extremely rich in the gossip resource!
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DENNIS
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If nobody can come up with anything real about the Yee dude by now, it's probably a bunch on nonsense.
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djh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by elizabeth
| Quote: | Originally posted by djh
Regarding property taxes: My Loreto property taxes quadrupled between Jan 2008 and Jan 2010. Most of that right after the new administration....
Granted, they were quite affordable compared to up north, and I am certainly willing to pay my fair share for the community good.... But
quadrupled...? The amount of taxes went way up while the discount for early payment went waaaay down.
I WOULD like to know if this is the same for everyone in Loreto, Mexicans and FM2 / FM3 holders or if there is a different formula for each.
As for the rest.... I am all ears and smiles . . . . I enjoy a little local
spice and color !
djh |
My Loreto taxes were exactly the same this year as last. Didn't pay much attention to the early pay discount, but I think it must be about the same
as well since the total was the same. Of course, my property isn't in as fancy a neighborhood as yours!!! |
Hey Elizabeth 
You're too funny!! A few friends (and neighbors) call our place "Hooterville", "Petticoat Junction" and "Beverly Hillbilly Central". It is a nice
neighborhood, but I guess I'm the poor guy down the alley with nothin' but dirt :-).
Check your discount ! Mine was only 10% this year. In years past, it was significantly more... I'm curious.
Thx.
djh
Its all just stuff and some numbers.
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mulegemichael
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you guys don't care about yer taxes!...you just wanna have fun!...anyone can see that!
dyslexia is never having to say you\'re yrros.
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Phil C
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David, the anouncment car was going around in November anouncing a 30% discount. I scurried over the rubble to pay. My increase was about 10% before
the discount.
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rhintransit
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as a renter, I don't pay property taxes but I was told one reason for the apparent increases is that Yuan Yee decided to do away with the discount for
GRINGO seniors who had been getting that under the INAPAM 'tercera edad' program/card.
reality\'s never been of much use out here...
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elizabeth
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rhintransit
as a renter, I don't pay property taxes but I was told one reason for the apparent increases is that Yuan Yee decided to do away with the discount for
GRINGO seniors who had been getting that under the INAPAM 'tercera edad' program/card. |
The tax payment discount is related to when you make your payment...starts at 30% and then goes down as time goes on. It's for all people who pay
property tax. Has absolutely nothing to do with discount cards. Once again, the rumor resource is rich!!!!
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elizabeth
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Since this has turned into a property tax discussion, perhaps it should be moved and given a new title? (Edit to add: I don't know how to, or likely
am unable to move the tax discussion and change the title...Doug?)
David...and others who are interested. I checked my receipt for last year and for this year. The taxes were exactly the same, but the discount last
year was 25% because I paid them in January, and 30% this year because I paid in December, so I actually paid less this year. In your case, it seems
possible that there were improvements to the property not known to the municipalidad until recently which changed the value. There might be another
reason, but this one seems possible.
[Edited on 2-25-2010 by elizabeth]
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wessongroup
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| Quote: | Originally posted by elizabeth
Since this has turned into a property tax discussion, perhaps it should be moved and given a new title? (Edit to add: I don't know how to, or likely
am unable to move the tax discussion and change the title...Doug?)
David...and others who are interested. I checked my receipt for last year and for this year. The taxes were exactly the same, but the discount last
year was 25% because I paid them in January, and 30% this year because I paid in December, so I actually paid less this year. In your case, it seems
possible that there were improvements to the property not known to the municipalized until recently which changed the value. There might be another
reason, but this one seems possible.
[Edited on 2-25-2010 by elizabeth] |
elizabeth,
An excellent idea.. I do not "own" property, only lease at this time.. However... this subject is of interest to those staying down here, one way or
the other.
The question of specific tax rates on property in specific locations is very helpful.. opposed to "low" "not much" "$50" "really cheap""we don't
pay"... as everyone pays taxes.. unless we have reached the "event horizon".. then it really does not matter in this dimension ...
Again thank you for sharing .....
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Don Alley
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Yuan Yee: We've been out of town (Oaxaca) and haven't heard the latest rumors. But things seem pretty normal around here.
About three years ago there were rumors about the PAN mayor doing bad things. Maybe, maybe not.
Taxes:
January, 2008 my tax was 157.78 and the discount was 31.55
January 2009 my tax was 944.93 and the discount was 236.23.
December 2009 my tax was 944.93 and the discount was 283.48...I paid earlier and got a bigger discount.
I got the same explanation as Tehag. We did some building. I believe there was also a tax rate increase in 2008 but I think it was around 10 percent.
DJH: You could take some photos of your lot to show it is undeveloped.
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Again thanks for sharing.. it all helps...
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bajajudy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Don Alley
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DJH: You could take some photos of your lot to show it is undeveloped. |
Our undeveloped lot here had a 1000% tax increase. Seems that they started enforcing that "build within 2 years" rule. I was able to get it cut in
half when I showed them our FM2's but still a lot more money than last year.
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djh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Don Alley
DJH: You could take some photos of your lot to show it is undeveloped. |
Good idea, thanks, Don.
BTW, I went back and looked:
2007 $ 329 p. after about 25%
2008 $ 1341 p after about 25%
2009 $ 1609 p. after 10%
I AM in a nice area, but nothing built yet, so perhaps Judy, you're theory is at work here....
Its all just stuff and some numbers.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by elizabeth
| Quote: | Originally posted by rhintransit
as a renter, I don't pay property taxes but I was told one reason for the apparent increases is that Yuan Yee decided to do away with the discount for
GRINGO seniors who had been getting that under the INAPAM 'tercera edad' program/card. |
The tax payment discount is related to when you make your payment...starts at 30% and then goes down as time goes on. It's for all people who pay
property tax. Has absolutely nothing to do with discount cards. Once again, the rumor resource is rich!!!! |
Elizabeth,
WRONG !!
We have been getting 50% off our property taxes for years with our INAPAM card, till about 2 years ago when they told us that this discount was only
available to native born. Not what the Law states. But then who are you going to complain to without going to get legal help.
Mexican government at all levels is noted for making the rules to suit their purpose.
[Edited on 3-1-2010 by vandenberg]
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elizabeth
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vandenberg
| Quote: | Originally posted by elizabeth
| Quote: | Originally posted by rhintransit
as a renter, I don't pay property taxes but I was told one reason for the apparent increases is that Yuan Yee decided to do away with the discount for
GRINGO seniors who had been getting that under the INAPAM 'tercera edad' program/card. |
The tax payment discount is related to when you make your payment...starts at 30% and then goes down as time goes on. It's for all people who pay
property tax. Has absolutely nothing to do with discount cards. Once again, the rumor resource is rich!!!! |
Elizabeth,
WRONG !!
We have been getting 50% off our property taxes for years with our INAPAM card, till about 2 years ago when they told us that this discount was only
available to native born. Not what the Law states. But then who are you going to complain to without going to get legal help.
Mexican government at all levels is noted for making the rules to suit their purpose.
[Edited on 3-1-2010 by vandenberg] |
I was referring to the standard discount given to everybody...that related to this and last year...not changes before that...but the way things
currently work...sorry you lost your discount.
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rhintransit
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vandenberg
| Quote: | Originally posted by elizabeth
| Quote: | Originally posted by rhintransit
as a renter, I don't pay property taxes but I was told one reason for the apparent increases is that Yuan Yee decided to do away with the discount for
GRINGO seniors who had been getting that under the INAPAM 'tercera edad' program/card. |
The tax payment discount is related to when you make your payment...starts at 30% and then goes down as time goes on. It's for all people who pay
property tax. Has absolutely nothing to do with discount cards. Once again, the rumor resource is rich!!!! |
Elizabeth,
WRONG !!
We have been getting 50% off our property taxes for years with our INAPAM card, till about 2 years ago when they told us that this discount was only
available to native born. Not what the Law states. But then who are you going to complain to without going to get legal help.
Mexican government at all levels is noted for making the rules to suit their purpose.
[Edited on 3-1-2010 by vandenberg] |
Vandenberg's confirms what I heard. as a renter I've no first hand knowledge but he pays taxes and he should know. the way I heard about it was when
I was at the Loreto immigration office (for an unrelated matter) and a man came in to ask about his rights, specifically INAPAM discount on property
taxes. the (new) person behind the counter conferred with the boss, and agreed that gringo imagrados, (apologies to the spelling police) had almost
all the rights as a Mexican citizen, but that when a new party came it, it could make new rules. shrug. this was specifically referring to Yuan
Yee's party in Loreto.
it would be interesting to know if this is a local policy or something that is happening nationwide.
ps Vandenberg and other property owners in Loreto. I can tell you exactly who to complain to, and yes, you need high level help, and yes, it will
cost you monetarily and emotionally but if you want a chance at change and justice, someone has to stick his/her neck out.
reality\'s never been of much use out here...
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