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tripledigitken
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by bonanza bucko
....the first one belongs in an expensive book.
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Nonsense. Irrelevant subject matter and excessive contrast.
Good initial visual, but lacking anything sustainable.
Probably a JPEG shot that eliminates manipulation, which it's in need of.
Classy black and white needs to be done with classy black and white film. There is no way in this world at this moment digital production will do
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DENNIS,
I would agree that digital can't compete with film for the quality print in black and white. Were in the ditital world in posting pictures on the
internet, so to view a film shot it would have to be scaned back into a digital image and isn't really any advantage. The Nikon shots were edited as
raw and converted to jpegs to be viewed digitally. The Leica shots were all edited as jpegs.
Regarding not being able to "manipulate" jpeg images that's ridiculous. With the exception of altering white balance which can be done with a raw
image, one can control most variables in photo editing software on jpegs. If I was producing prints I would work exclusively with raw, but for the
internet, jpegs work just fine. Many of
the shots I have posted here are shot in both raw and jpeg. That allows me to go back and edit the raw version for prints if I choose to.
Thanks for your interest and comments.
I would like to see some of your work.
Ken
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Skipjack Joe
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Silver Efex Pro
Just came across this Nikon product that perhaps could be helpful with some of the comments Dennis brought up:
Silver Efex Pro uses a range of advanced imaging algorithms that protect against unwanted artifacts, a comprehensive collection of 18 emulated
black-and-white film types, and a state-of-the-art grain engine that truly mimics the traditional silver halide process to create
the highest quality black-and-white images possible from scanned or digital color photographs.
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Dennis.... What a mean thing to say.
Many of us enjoyed these pix.
mho - you owe Ken an apology.
(and now I'll duck for cover)
nena
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Natalie Ann
Dennis.... What a mean thing to say.
Many of us enjoyed these pix.
mho - you owe Ken an apology.
(and now I'll duck for cover)
nena |
I responded to another posters evaluation of the shot. Criticism lives in a tough neighborhood.
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I'll have to respectfully disagree with you on this one.
There is a difference between being blunt and rude, at least in my mind. It does a photographer a disservice to have people just tell him good things.
As I tell Alex when he gets upset about hmwrk mistakes, it's the wrong answers that move things forward - the right ones just feel good.
How would you phrase Dennis' critique and still get his point across?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
I'll have to respectfully disagree with you on this one.
There is a difference between being blunt and rude, at least in my mind. It does a photographer a disservice to have people just tell him good things.
As I tell Alex when he gets upset about hmwrk mistakes, it's the wrong answers that move things forward - the right ones just feel good.
How would you phrase Dennis' critique and still get his point across? |
You talkin' to me, amigo?
nena
EDIT: Well, I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume you were speaking to me.
I have been taught that it's good to give 3 compliments before the criticism. Doing so allows for people to 'hear' the criticism without feeling that
they've just been socked in the eye. This approach makes discussion possible, while merely being blunt is often responsible for hurt feelings and no
discussion. When the latter happens, no learning takes place.
You ask how I might have 'better' phrased Dennis' take on things. I don't like putting words in other people's mouths. But generally speaking, when
I feel the need to criticize someone I do so privately.... and that's what I would have done here. (yes, on this board there's one exception to my
approach... but he posts u2u's so I just speak to him out in the open)
I agree that Dennis gets to say what he wants even if I think it was stated in an unkind way. Perhaps I was wrong to suggest an apology. Dennis and
I have very different posting styles. For sure his is more entertaining than mine.
nena
[Edited on 3-1-2010 by Natalie Ann]
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I count 15 compliments before the "sock in the eye".
I still maintain that the "sock in the eye" is more valuable than the compliments.
In all the years I've been on this board I've only received one "sock in the eye", and that was a series of photoshop instructions on how to improve
an image. It was sent as a u2u probably for the reason you describe but I would have felt comfortable had it been posted.
I was grateful for it and thanked the man. In fact it led to an exchange of emails.
Courtesy will never replace honesty to my way of thinking.
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I didn't critique Ken. I critiqued a photograph.
Nena..Igor.....I value both of your opinions and appreciate that you think enough of me to give them. If all art was good, there would be no such
thing as art.
Thanks again.
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I understand your point, amigo.
And surely I didn't mean to suggest honesty be replaced by courtesy, although honesty tempered by courtesy is a good thing imho.
Different strokes.....
nena
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Appreciate your last post, Dennis.
nena
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My last comment here.
I’m amazed at this thread.
Of all the pictures that have been posted here (many by me over the last 3 years) I can’t remember such a ruckus caused.
I post travel pictures here mostly of Baja that I hope some will find some memory or connection to. Others do the same thing, Pelicans, cactus,
people, landscapes, etc. I’m not looking for any awards; I post on Photographic Forums for that and criticism as well. I have and will discuss all
things photographic with interested Nomads via U2U, as it doesn’t interest most Nomads.
I have written Dennis’s comments off as a 5pm opinion. Those that have been here for awhile know what I’m talking about, especially those that he has
gone off on. I would welcome a constructive discussion about Photography with you Dennis, but frankly I don't believe you’re interested in doing
that. Your comments weren’t motivated to make me a better Photographer.
Anyone interested please U2U me if you wish to discuss this any further.
Ken
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
Fruteria in Loreto
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| Quote: | | Those pictures are superb....the first one belongs in an expensive book. |
What's to judge? The photo is ninety percent black.
Your digital camera can't handel the nuances of the gray scale.
Your shortcoming at this time is that you believe your own press and you project your immediate moment feelings to your viewer.
We don't see what you see before you shoot the picture, Ken. We see what's left after your done living your personal life through that place and
time.
We weren't there. All we see is the bad rendition of a black and white photo because you and your equipment weren't able to extend the range of the
gray scale to give us detail in light and shadow.
Go back to film if you want to do it superbly. Stay with digital if you want to just get along.
I owe you nothing. You have my best.
[Edited on 3-2-2010 by DENNIS]
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Lemme add something about these high-contrast - low visual productions that usually only appeal to the man behind the lens...
A black cat lover can take his pet's picture in a dark closet and see detailed beauty. The mind is a wonderful thing, but
the door must be opened for all to see.
[Edited on 3-2-2010 by DENNIS]
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