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dizzyspots
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interesting that when "we" find someplace great to camp, or to fish...or to surf..."we" fall in love with it...then become so posessive of it that we
dont want to share it with "them"...to "protect" it...
yet...somebody told us about it first didn't they???
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Pappy Jon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
In Nov. 2006, the new pavement heading south ended 2 miles north of Puertecitos, and a short piece in Puertecitos was paved.
In Sept. 2008, the new pavement ended 2 miles south of Puertecitos.
In Jan. 2009, the new pavement ended ~4 miles south of Puertecitos (before La Costilla).
That had to be one of the toughest pieces of terrain to build a highway through!
Did you feel the quake on Easter? |
Sounds like the road crew kicked some butt on that section. Yes, I felt the earthquake. I would give you GPS coords to the location, but then, I'd
have to kill you. 
"The association of flowers and warm-blooded love is more than a romantic convention; it is based upon one of the great advances in the evolution
of life." Ed Abbey
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BAJACAT
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BAJA IS FOR EVERYBODY NOT JUST A FEW..any place i find I share with friends, sometimes thats how you get to enjoy Baja by word of mouth,if that wasn't
the case we would not be in the need of places like BAJANOMAD,because nobody would share their secret spots, that maybe at one point they were
somebodies else's secret spot's...how needs GPS anyways just follow the washboard road....
BAJA IS WHAT YOU WANTED TO BE, FUN,DANGEROUS,INCREDIBLE, REMOTE, EXOTIC..JUST GO AND HAVE FUN.....
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GrOUper-GAr
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I'm reading and wondering:
Why is there so much disgust toward the pavement to GonZaGa ?
-GRoUPer
....Shari, how is the pavement being accepted in/to Asuncion?
! PrEFeRiR!A eSTaR eN baJa !
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Cypress
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If it's too easy to get there, then everybody will be there and you might as well be at an amusement park back in the states.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by GrOUper-GAr
I'm reading and wondering:
Why is there so much disgust toward the pavement to GonZaGa ?
-GRoUPer
....Shari, how is the pavement being accepted in/to Asuncion? |
Some want to keep Baja as their personal unchanged playground. Also, there are a lot of one year leases in Gonzaga and , well who knows. And that
old Mama Espinoza saying of bad roads, good people is not always the case. I have far too often seen many who have no respect for the environment and
just drive everywhere ripping up the desert as they go.
Even when we first bought a place in Bahia Asuncion, we thought we preferred the dirt road---fewer people will drive a dirt road--rather selfish
motives. But after being in BA and becoming friends with many people, we now can't wait for the final pavement. They know the change will not
happen without some problems, but pavement they want.
I am quite sure Shari will agree---from the people we know, there are some who are concerned about having the pavement and the increase in the amount
of people who will visit, but most of them can't wait for the pavement to be completed. The old dirt road was murder on their vehicles---pavement
will change their lives.
People from Bahia Asuncion often need to travel to Vizcaino, or Guerrero Negro, or Santa Rosalia and beyond, and the pavement will make it
easier----also easier for supplies to get to Bahia Asuncion. Now we hear more complaining about the awful Vizcaino/Tortugas road that needs repair.
The Gonzaga road should improve commerce for Baja and improve the lives of many.
[Edited on 4-22-2010 by DianaT]
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by GrOUper-GAr
I'm reading and wondering:
Why is there so much disgust toward the pavement to GonZaGa ?
-GRoUPer
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Pavement (not a GPS) is what allows 'anybody' to get to a special place...
A paved highway opens an area up to anyone... A dirt road acts like a filter and screens out a lot of the riff raff, but a 4WD road screens out all of
the riff raff. When it takes a special rig and a special skill of driving, then the destination is greatly appreciated as a special treat or a reward
for the tough miles that preceded it. 'Riff raff' can range from people who dump their trash anywhere to develpoers who destroy a beautiful place and
don't complete the project (like Puerto Escondido, Escalera Nautica, many abandoned projects).
If Gonzaga Bay is easily accessed, then it will be easily spoiled, IMO. The only thing that may save it is the distance from cities, lack of water and
services. L.A. Bay has a paved road, but it is at the end of the paved road, and that may have helped it... plus it is another 100 miles from the
cities. Gonzaga will be on a main north-south highway, so more people will be going to it or by it, than L.A. Bay.
Alas, us fussing about it won't stop progress, so all we can do is lament the changes and recall the past 'good old days'...
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GrOUper-GAr
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Yea, I'm familiar with the saying, 'good/bad -bad/good' roads...
It just seems like something always said, but not always true.
Gonzaga is lined with HOMES, has GAS(& amenities), and gets Pounded by GiLLNETs... an easier road is gonna ruin it? Its pretty easy to get there
already.
Anyway, here's Hoping for the best.
-GrOUpeR
! PrEFeRiR!A eSTaR eN baJa !
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rts551
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Geeze DK. Tell that to the drug smugglers. Your blanket statements are amazing
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by GrOUper-GAr
I'm reading and wondering:
Why is there so much disgust toward the pavement to GonZaGa ?
-GRoUPer
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Pavement (not a GPS) is what allows 'anybody' to get to a special place...
A paved highway opens an area up to anyone... A dirt road acts like a filter and screens out a lot of the riff raff, but a 4WD road screens out all of
the riff raff. When it takes a special rig and a special skill of driving, then the destination is greatly appreciated as a special treat or a reward
for the tough miles that preceded it. 'Riff raff' can range from people who dump their trash anywhere to develpoers who destroy a beautiful place and
don't complete the project (like Puerto Escondido, Escalera Nautica, many abandoned projects).
If Gonzaga Bay is easily accessed, then it will be easily spoiled, IMO. The only thing that may save it is the distance from cities, lack of water and
services. L.A. Bay has a paved road, but it is at the end of the paved road, and that may have helped it... plus it is another 100 miles from the
cities. Gonzaga will be on a main north-south highway, so more people will be going to it or by it, than L.A. Bay.
Alas, us fussing about it won't stop progress, so all we can do is lament the changes and recall the past 'good old days'... |
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David K
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Thank you... 'amazing' is the affect I am after!
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mcfez
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Oh...got the pic now
Thanks DK for leading me to these pics....didnt see them earlier.
Oh..."If Gonzaga Bay is easily accessed, then it will be easily spoiled". You are totally right.
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David K
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De nada mcfez... Have fun at El Huerfanito or where ever you go!
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by GrOUper-GAr
I'm reading and wondering:
Why is there so much disgust toward the pavement to GonZaGa ?
-GRoUPer
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A paved highway opens an area up to anyone... A dirt road acts like a filter and screens out a lot of the riff raff, but a 4WD road screens out all of
the riff raff. |
actually, i think the 4wd road still allows in a lot of the riff raff. you need to put on hiking boots to get away from 4wd knuckleheads that spoil
the wilderness experience. get a mile away from any type of road, and things are good. get 5 miles away from any type of road and things are best
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David K
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That sounds good Goat... that means you will be 5 miles away from my camp and not drink all my beers?
Isn't difficult to backpack a case of Pacificos and ice, in someplace? My Tacoma can hold multiple ice chests! 
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Ken Cooke
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I'm hoping to get my Jeep nice and dirty on that route before it is paved to oblivion...
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BajaWarrior
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
I'm hoping to get my Jeep nice and dirty on that route before it is paved to oblivion... |
Ken, the first step to Baja recovery is crossing the border!
Haven't had a bad trip yet....
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Ken Cooke
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaWarrior
| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
I'm hoping to get my Jeep nice and dirty on that route before it is paved to oblivion... |
Ken, the first step to Baja recovery is crossing the border! |
We're waiting on her Green Card and my vacation time. Trust me, the Jeep will be getting dirty this summer somewhere near Alfonsinas...or, San Felipe
at the very least.
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preston
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I have mixed feelings about the issue of paving this road. I make 2 loop trips per year through this route (see past trip reports) and am planning one
for early June. I'll be sure to post a trip report.
On one hand, I love the solitude of this trip. Most of the time I never pass an on-coming car.
On the other hand, now that it is paved, I will bring my wife and she will actually enjoy the trip (she would have been horrified at the old route ...
so I never took her). The road from Huerfanito to Gonzaga and out is a "piece of cake" compared to "crap" north of Huerfanito.
Another "natural" filter for Baja is the fear that many Gringos have of Mexico, period. So, I'm not predicting an explosion (IMO) of travel ... but I
could be wrong.
So, right now, I am viewing this as an overall positive (from a selfish perspective). I will be camping for a couple of days on the way down, then
couple of days with Antonio and then maybe BOLA if time allows.
Hope to see you all on the trails.
I'll post in advance of my trip when I have the exact dates.
Preston
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willardguy
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well thank you DianaT for telling it like it is. Have you noticed how nobody has anything bad to say about the other new improvments in gonzaga??? I
don't hear anyone M-F-ing the pemex station or the super market or the new restaurant or the flush toilets at beluga.this isnt the way baja used to be
BUT its darn handy if youre out of gas,hungry thirsty or gotta take a dump!
Look I totally get that this gem of a place is a new found paradise to many new comers to baja but if youve been rambling down that old road for 40
years and have destroyed numerous vehicles in route you might welcome the road a little more.
BUT like diana pointed out this is not our private playground,even those of us who live there.gonzaga belongs to the wonderful families who are kind
enough to wecome us and share their paradise.
I guess what im getting at is lets not be so selfish and care more about what this will mean for caretakers and their future.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by willardguy
well thank you DianaT for telling it like it is. Have you noticed how nobody has anything bad to say about the other new improvments in gonzaga??? I
don't hear anyone M-F-ing the pemex station or the super market or the new restaurant or the flush toilets at beluga.this isnt the way baja used to be
BUT its darn handy if youre out of gas,hungry thirsty or gotta take a dump!
Look I totally get that this gem of a place is a new found paradise to many new comers to baja but if youve been rambling down that old road for 40
years and have destroyed numerous vehicles in route you might welcome the road a little more.
BUT like diana pointed out this is not our private playground,even those of us who live there.gonzaga belongs to the wonderful families who are kind
enough to wecome us and share their paradise.
I guess what im getting at is lets not be so selfish and care more about what this will mean for caretakers and their future. |
Thank you----well said. 
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