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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajajudy
You cannot register a vehicle in south dakota without a south dakota address. A friend sent in all her information and it was sent back to her
because she did not have an south dakota address.
I dont know about the grandfathering but I hope someone will tell us. |
This may be a county to county difference, Judy. I registered my truck in Clay County and didn't need an SD address.
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bajalou
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajajudy
You cannot register a vehicle in south dakota without a south dakota address. A friend sent in all her information and it was sent back to her
because she did not have an south dakota address.
I dont know about the grandfathering but I hope someone will tell us. |
This is not true. I currently have 3 vehicles registered in SD and have never been there and have no address there. I use a Calif PMB address.
No all SD counties provide this service. The owners of mail service in SD will tell you that you have to have the SD address, but this is not
correct. Call the county treasurer of Clay County and see what they have to say. The county issues the registration and the state Dept. of Vehicles
in Piere ? follows up with the title.
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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BigWooo
I did some research in this area. Talked to the CHP and they said that if you have a CA drivers license you must have CA plates. It's been law for
quite some time. Nothing new.
[Edited on 5-12-2010 by BigWooo] |
So...if I rent a car in Arizona using my CA drivers license and drive it into CA I am breaking the law
Bob Durrell
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MitchMan
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Renting an out of state registered vehicle and owning one are two very, very different legal positions.
bajalou is correct.
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Pompano
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Some good info here:
http://www.americas-mailbox.com/
Seems to cover all the bases...or does it?
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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oladulce
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Our US domicile address is in Sioux Falls, (Minnehaha county) SD. I started working on transferring CA to SD registrations shortly before we moved to
Mexico so we'd have all the plates and tags while we still received mail in CA. I had to establish our South Dakota address before registering the
vehicles at the Sioux Falls DMV because they require a SD address at that DMV.
The Sioux Falls DMV also requires a visit in person when you're changing regs from another state- no mail-in, or phone consults to help you figure
out the correct total. But, those are the rules for your first time only. From now on, all the yearly regs I can do online or phone in the payment
with a credit card.
I chose Sioux Falls for our new address because I liked the services provided by
Your Best Address. We transferred everything to South Dakota- driver's licenses, identities, financial, etc when we moved to BCS and I felt most
comfortable with the personal service at YBA since our "identities" would be passing thru their hands.
The Sioux Falls DMV's in-person rule is easy to work around by completing a Power of Attorney form and having Larry at YBA go to the DMV for you.
But, the DMV's POA form still has to be notarized (notary public type) and you have to send your "agent" a money order. Both would be a pain
if you're already living in Mex and don't live near the border. Sounds like other counties are more flexible if you're only doing car regs.
I'm having a deja vu- sorry if I've posted this info before. I feel like I'm repeating myself myself...
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MitchMan
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Bob and Susan,
At the below website, in pertinent part … “Any vehicle owned by a California resident must be registered within 20 days of entry into California
unless a special permit was obtained.”
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/brochures/howto/htvr9.htm
2010 California VC Section 4000, as amended, in pertinent part:
Registration Required
4000. (1) No person shall drive, move, or leave standing upon a highway, or in an offstreet public parking facility, any motor vehicle, …, unless it
is registered and the appropriate fees have been paid under this code …
I don’t have time to do a complete citation to further cite the corresponding parts of the code that reflect specifically the persons included in the
above cited “person” in subsection (1) above as including Calif residents that have current valid Calif drivers license. Suffice it to say that, as
with most law, the basic construction is to broadly include all persons in the basic part of a statute, and then through further subsections further
define all the “persons” that are included in the broad intial term. For example, Federal tax law starts out with defining taxable income as “ income
derived from all sources” and then tediously goes on to define specifically all the many types of taxable income and only sparsely mentions (by
exception) types that are excluded from taxation.
For what it is worth, I have corroborated the application of the Registration requirement by calling the Orange County and Los Angeles CHP and several
persons in authority at each office unequivocally stated the registration requirement absolutely consistant with my statement.
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MitchMan
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In my experience with state and federal tax law, there is the codified statute and then there is "administrative" law. Administrative law is what is
actually enforced and applied which is sometimes in sharp contrast even other times in contradiction to the exact letter of the codified statute. I
found this to be particularly true with the smaller states.
The fact that some people are experiencing different treatment by different motor vehicle offices within South Dakota is not suprising to me in view
of my above mentioned statement. I look at it as sort of a "Mexicanized" approach to US state law and practices. Yes, it's arbitrary, and yes it
happens, even in the USA.
[Edited on 5-13-2010 by MitchMan]
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rob
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We often go up to California with our WA-plated diesel. I have a California drivers license, and on the sole occasion I was asked to produce it (got a
little lax in my signalling habits - lived too long in BCS), I hauled out my trusty La Paz DL - worth its weight in gold, and takes 20 mins - you can
skip the test if you are VERY nice.
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MitchMan
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That does it, I am getting a Mexican drivers license. Thanks for that input, Rob. Where in La Paz do you go to get the license? Do you use a
Mexican residential address on the Mx License or a USA address? Didn't the officer ask you for proof of insurance coverage for driving on California
streets?
[Edited on 5-13-2010 by MitchMan]
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MitchMan
That does it, I am getting a Mexican drivers license. |
It's only good for a Mexican plated vehicle.
A buddy was driving a Ca. plated car in Ca. and was pulled over by CHP. He handed the cop a Mexican drivers license and the cop threw it on the
ground. That's a helluva way to begin curbside negotiations.
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Bajahowodd
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by MitchMan
That does it, I am getting a Mexican drivers license. |
It's only good for a Mexican plated vehicle.
A buddy was driving a Ca. plated car in Ca. and was pulled over by CHP. He handed the cop a Mexican drivers license and the cop threw it on the
ground. That's a helluva way to begin curbside negotiations. |
You sure that cop didn't just make an executive decision on the spot? I've always thought that most countries have reciprocity for drivers licenses.
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Talked to Treasurer Cathy Powells office in Clay County today. Business as usual. At this time NO SD ADDRESS needed.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
You sure that cop didn't just make an executive decision on the spot? I've always thought that most countries have reciprocity for drivers licenses.
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Tell it to the judge. 
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bajalou
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In Mexico the rule is - Mexican plated = Mexican license, US plated = any US license. Don't see why it would be different in the US.
No Bad Days
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Alan
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajalou
In Mexico the rule is - Mexican plated = Mexican license, US plated = any US license. Don't see why it would be different in the US.
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All my rentals cars have had Mx plates?
In Memory of E-57
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I hear you can no longer obtain SD vehicle registration by mail. You now have to go to SD to apply.
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bajalou
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajajorge
I hear you can no longer obtain SD vehicle registration by mail. You now have to go to SD to apply. |
See sanfleipebob's post above.
No Bad Days
\"Never argue with an idiot. People watching may not be able to tell the difference\"
\"The trouble with doing nothing is - how do I know when I\'m done?\"
Nomad Baja Interactive map
And in the San Felipe area - check out Valle Chico area |
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DENNIS
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This was posted in the Punta Banda Newsletter yesterday:
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Just got our renewal from CA and they want $455 for my car. Fortunately we
registered in South Dakota last week and it was $42. All we had to do was call
Clay County, find out the amount, send in the documents and 7 days later we had
our new plates and registration -- and $3.21 in change (cash) for overpayment.
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Bob and Susan
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now...the statemen made that:
"Currently, Calif law states that if you are a Calif resident with a Calif drivers license, then you are not allowed at all to drive ON ANY CALIFORNIA
STREET OR HIGHWAY a vehicle that you own that is registered in another state, period"
"THIS STATEMENT IS NOT TRUE"
i may be WRONG again...damn
after looking and reading and reading
if you actually live in CA you can't drive an out of state plated car as your everyday car
you can drive an out of state plated car though
if it's in someone elses name
i do argee with mitchman
that if you are "cheating" you will be caught
and should be fined
your neighbors will turn you in eventually
there's a webpage to do just that
now if you live in mexico and
have a california drivers license
there may be an excuse in court
i'd fight it
sometimes retired people have many places to live in the USA
but we do "stupid" things
i think rule-of-thumb is mexican plate mexican license
foreign plate foreign license
rental car plates are "special"
foreigners can drive them here no problems
if you are a resident in baja you should get a mexican license
they cost about $30 for 5 years and no test
as for dennis's statement that "the cop threw it down" is "hearsay"
it probably is just a story
i could say my buddy hit the lottery...
i left out it was for $10 BUCKS
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