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| Quote: | Originally posted by capt. mike
"and if you are worried about being incapacitated at remote location, then get healthy or don't go,... or associate only with aircraft owners that
don't make excuses, and love clean air."
right....i'll refer to that for the next guy/gal/family that has an accident not of his/her/their own causing and needs to be air lifted out of some
little burg or from in the middle of no where. It ain't just for self induced health issues.
i don't know a SINGLE aircraft owner that is willing, of the means financially or otherwise ready to dump their perfectly good existing motors to
willingly pay for a non existent engine which if it did exist would cost easily $50,000 a piece plus installation. And - i know plenty of owner
operators in addition to membership in most pilot driven organizations with access to current thought and literature on this subject.
you missed the point, chivo - comm'l GA is too important in the economy world wide to be simply shut down, and the guvmint has to 1st support an
industry acceptable solution for the fuel type issue before they can just ban it. The leaded fuel discussion for planes is now 30 plus years old with
no firm solution yet available.
at the present there is no alternative engine available which can meet the required FAA performance and service/safety specs - and if there was it
could cost $50,000-$200,000 per plane to retrofit. Not viable.
let's all just ride bikes i guess. many would prefer that i suppose.
maybe go back to candles and whale lamps too??  
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there is no valid excuse for pollution. i don't know the issue in detail, but your self-serving excuses for polluting just don't smell right. i hope
your plane, engine, fuel is banned.
if you can afford to fly, you can afford to fly w/o polluting our air.
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You can't just ground the frickin' planes. The people who MAKE the planes should maybe be very encouraged to include the new tech, but please, you
can't tell me that come next Monday I have to have a new hybrid engine in my F250. Because that's a law I would currently be forced to break and a
law the people would be forced to ignore (like immigration come to think of it). Progress needs to be focused where it can actually work, not just in
theory, but in practice.
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yes, at least one other with logic
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajamatic
You can't just ground the frickin' planes. The people who MAKE the planes should maybe be very encouraged to include the new tech, but please, you
can't tell me that come next Monday I have to have a new hybrid engine in my F250. Because that's a law I would currently be forced to break and a
law the people would be forced to ignore (like immigration come to think of it). Progress needs to be focused where it can actually work, not just in
theory, but in practice. |
well said bajamatic...good analogy. same deal - what would happen if next week all non hybrid motors in say trucks only for e.g. - were banned and ALL
owners had to replace their engines even if they were working fine...and the cost of the replacements were 50% more than before....what would
happen????
a ridiculous concept where the so called do gooders justify the end by any means.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
there is no valid excuse for pollution. i don't know the issue in detail, but your self-serving excuses for polluting just don't smell right. i hope
your plane, engine, fuel is banned.
if you can afford to fly, you can afford to fly w/o polluting our air. |
Goat, you yourself state that you don't know the issue in detail. I'd put my money on Capt. Mike on this one....seems to me he knows a little more
about aviation than you. I don't think you really understand the magnitude of how many aircraft this affects; both private and commercial. Almost all
forms of transportation produce some form of pollution - should every form of transportation that produces pollution be banned and parked? What if I
said: "If you can afford to drive, you can afford to drive w/o polluting our air."? Would you be able to retro-fit all of your vehicle's engines with
a new one? I doubt it....
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| Quote: | Originally posted by capt. mike
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajamatic
You can't just ground the frickin' planes. The people who MAKE the planes should maybe be very encouraged to include the new tech, but please, you
can't tell me that come next Monday I have to have a new hybrid engine in my F250. Because that's a law I would currently be forced to break and a
law the people would be forced to ignore (like immigration come to think of it). Progress needs to be focused where it can actually work, not just in
theory, but in practice. |
well said bajamatic...good analogy. same deal - what would happen if next week all non hybrid motors in say trucks only for e.g. - were banned and ALL
owners had to replace their engines even if they were working fine...and the cost of the replacements were 50% more than before....what would
happen????
a ridiculous concept where the so called do gooders justify the end by any means. |
BINGO!!!! We have a winner!!!!
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Enviro wackos like Goat want to destroy America's economy, as they force their ideas on the USA... and the rest of the world pollutes freely. We are
one of the cleanest countries and we also feed and free the world. China cannot feed its own people and burns fossil fuels like there's no tomorrow.
The communists have just renamed themselves as the 'Greens' or 'Progressives', seeing it is a way to fool the under-educated voters.
Has anyone noticed there are no longer American flags on either side of the president when he gives press reports/ speeches? They were also ordered
removed from our humanitarian aid camps in Haiti (no other country there has taken their nation's flag down). Really sad that the president is
embarresed of his own country.
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DK
The whole flag thing is just another garbage story being pushed by the right wing-nuts.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/photos/pressconference....
But while it does seem legitimate to discuss the merits of the fuel and the possible elimination of same-----pros and cons of same---it appears rather
far fetched to bring in this meaningless story. It really appears that you are attempting to be a political troll when you repeat these absurd
stories.
[Edited on 6-10-2010 by DianaT]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Enviro wackos like Goat want to destroy America's economy, as they force their ideas on the USA... and the rest of the world pollutes freely. We are
one of the cleanest countries and we also feed and free the world. China cannot feed its own people and burns fossil fuels like there's no tomorrow.
The communists have just renamed themselves as the 'Greens' or 'Progressives', seeing it is a way to fool the under-educated voters.
Has anyone noticed there are no longer American flags on either side of the president when he gives press reports/ speeches? They were also ordered
removed from our humanitarian aid camps in Haiti (no other country there has taken their nation's flag down). Really sad that the president is
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DK-I'm embarrassed (note spelling) that you make such ridiculous statements....a quick Google search debunks your statement about American flags and
the President:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xaPwhlF6hc&feature=chann...
You might want to check your sources before you regurgitate all the crap you're fed by FoxNews Give me a break
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"We are one of the cleanest countries"
FACT - The US is the SECOND most polluting country in the world, right behind China. So before you go calling out the liberals for false accusations
you should probably put down your loyalist blinders and go read something for yourself. Knowledge is power.
[Edited on 6-9-2010 by Bajamatic]
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"Enviro wackos like Goat want to destroy America's economy, as they force their ideas on the USA... and the rest of the world pollutes freely"
well put DK.
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Uh Oh- The door got kicked open for the tax dollar parasites to rush in.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Has anyone noticed there are no longer American flags on either side of the president when he gives press reports/ speeches? They were also ordered
removed from our humanitarian aid camps in Haiti (no other country there has taken their nation's flag down). Really sad that the president is
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dk: once again, i need to remind you: you are an idiot 
where do you get your misinformation?
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Do you need photos of everything? If you 'SAW' this destruction of America would it change how you vote? 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by capt. mike
next time you need an emergency medical air evac from a remote town that can only handle piston craft and has no turbine helos....and you can't get
that flight cause there is no avgas sold....well you might just be dead. |
dilution is not a legal solution for polluters.
what about the tens of thousands that die every year from bad air quality?
no excuses for aircraft, all should comply with clean air laws. no compliance, no flying.
and if you are worried about being incapacitated at remote location, then get healthy or don't go,... or associate only with aircraft owners that
don't make excuses, and love clean air. |
Regarding the "get healthy or don't go" remark. The most expensive rescues that we commonly have in the mountainous western US are climbers and back
country hikers who are among the most healthy. Should we not send in those polluting helicopters to save them?
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ha...maybe they should be rescued only by mountain goats carrying stretchers...
by the way.....the plane is still missing....
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| Quote: | Originally posted by KurtG
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by capt. mike
next time you need an emergency medical air evac from a remote town that can only handle piston craft and has no turbine helos....and you can't get
that flight cause there is no avgas sold....well you might just be dead. |
dilution is not a legal solution for polluters.
what about the tens of thousands that die every year from bad air quality?
no excuses for aircraft, all should comply with clean air laws. no compliance, no flying.
and if you are worried about being incapacitated at remote location, then get healthy or don't go,... or associate only with aircraft owners that
don't make excuses, and love clean air. |
Regarding the "get healthy or don't go" remark. The most expensive rescues that we commonly have in the mountainous western US are climbers and back
country hikers who are among the most healthy. Should we not send in those polluting helicopters to save them? |
there is nothing wrong with govt providing rescue services. i pay taxes and that's one of things i want my taxes spent on. i also want my taxes and
health care costs reduced by taxing fat people, people who smoke, people who can but won't exercise, etc.
i also think taxing polluters is best way to make polluters change their ways. $5/gallon tax for dirty fuel or dirty engines will incentivize you
polluters!
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tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax
tax tax tax tax tax.................etc. ad infinitum....
the mantra of the liberal left...let guvmint fix it.....who else is sick of that song besides me.
good luck on a $5 tax on fuel beyond what they already get....unless you are willing to move to Europe and other socialist bent countries.
taxes are the the restraints to innovation, free enterprize and balanced market forces. Prosperity has been more negatively affected by ridiculous
guvmint controls and tax policy than other means - just look at lifestyles of the post war in America before the advent of "the Great Society" of
Johnson and later Carter.
what this country needs is a return to Reagan values and the resolve of those who were a part of the [our] greatest generation who climbed out of the
great depression and vaulted us into the salvation of the free world during WWII.
oh...and the plane is still missing.....
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| Quote: | Originally posted by capt. mike
taxes are the the restraints to innovation, free enterprize and balanced market forces. Prosperity has been more |
sin taxes are very, very effective tools to incentivize the people!
[Edited on 6-11-2010 by mtgoat666]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by capt. mike
just look at lifestyles of the post war in America before the advent of "the Great Society" of Johnson |
yes, let's look at poverty rates, infant mortality, life expectancy -- before and after societal changes like ending of child labor, start of social
security, etc., and start of great society programs.
waiting for your reasoned analysis, capt cracker barrel-gut.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by KurtG
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by capt. mike
next time you need an emergency medical air evac from a remote town that can only handle piston craft and has no turbine helos....and you can't get
that flight cause there is no avgas sold....well you might just be dead. |
dilution is not a legal solution for polluters.
what about the tens of thousands that die every year from bad air quality?
no excuses for aircraft, all should comply with clean air laws. no compliance, no flying.
and if you are worried about being incapacitated at remote location, then get healthy or don't go,... or associate only with aircraft owners that
don't make excuses, and love clean air. |
Regarding the "get healthy or don't go" remark. The most expensive rescues that we commonly have in the mountainous western US are climbers and back
country hikers who are among the most healthy. Should we not send in those polluting helicopters to save them? |
there is nothing wrong with govt providing rescue services. i pay taxes and that's one of things i want my taxes spent on. i also want my taxes and
health care costs reduced by taxing fat people, people who smoke, people who can but won't exercise, etc.
i also think taxing polluters is best way to make polluters change their ways. $5/gallon tax for dirty fuel or dirty engines will incentivize you
polluters! |
But you didn't answer my question which I think is a valid one. If rescues paid for by public monies are a good thing and if polluting aircraft are
bad and should be grounded then how can you support the idea of a helicopter rescue? I'm not getting into the left vs right political stuff since I'm
a member of that endangered species "pragmatic centrist."
I also support sky high taxes on booze and cigarettes since I use neither!! 
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