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ursidae69
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You all are lucky that motorhome didn't burn up. Next time, take the tire off and use starter fluid like bajalou mentioned.
Also, that road looks like a mudd-freeway now. When I went there in 2003 I hiked the last part rather than drive the bog just because it is a desert
afterall and water is something to conserve, not fill with your gear oil. 
Other than that, cool trip with good rough road action.
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajalou
| Quote: | Originally posted by hbmurphy
About 1/4 to 1/3 cup... Just from our anecdotal evidence - it finally worked when Neal suggested that we remove the valve core! I think all the other
attempts may have worked but the expanding gas most likely escaped through the bead area!
Remember - his tires were about 1" too narrow for his rims! 
[Edited on 6-7-2010 by hbmurphy] |
I've used that method many times. It will work much easier/better if you take the wheel off the vehicle and lay it flat on the ground. I've never
used more than 2-3 tablespoons. It's the fumes that do the work, not the liquid. Put a couple tablespoons in the tire, leave a trail from the bead
across the tire down to the ground for a couple feet. then lite the "fuse" and wait for the "Whomp". The time laying your fuse lets the gas
evaporate and that's what you need - fumes.
Engine starter fluid works equally as well. |
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Barry A.
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So guys (and gals) if you just drove to the "bog" stopping short of entering the water, are the really rough sections of the road behind you, or still
in front of you?
IN other words, is it feasible for a "normal" vehicle (suv) to reach the bog, park, and then hike on in to the Mission?
Barry
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ursidae69
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
So guys (and gals) if you just drove to the "bog" stopping short of entering the water, are the really rough sections of the road behind you, or still
in front of you?
IN other words, is it feasible for a "normal" vehicle (suv) to reach the bog, park, and then hike on in to the Mission?
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The rough spot is before the bog, maybe half mile. That trail itself is not all that challenging otherwise. Any stock 4x4 with a locker can make it
fine.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ursidae69
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
So guys (and gals) if you just drove to the "bog" stopping short of entering the water, are the really rough sections of the road behind you, or still
in front of you?
IN other words, is it feasible for a "normal" vehicle (suv) to reach the bog, park, and then hike on in to the Mission?
Barry |
The rough spot is before the bog, maybe half mile. That trail itself is not all that challenging otherwise. Any stock 4x4 with a locker can make it
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Thanks--------and I am thinking that the "bog" somewhat dries up in the Fall, right??-----like in Oct. or Nov.??? before the rains, assuming no
tropical storms come thru.
Barry
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edm1
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This was not mentioned - this was the moment when Neal really got s-c-a-r-e-d. I didn't hear anything on the radio, to stop, and I kept pulling.
Notice the ravine to his left. It was close.
From then on, Chris stayed with me to man the radio.
[Edited on 6-8-2010 by edm1]
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ursidae69
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
So guys (and gals) if you just drove to the "bog" stopping short of entering the water, are the really rough sections of the road behind you, or still
in front of you?
IN other words, is it feasible for a "normal" vehicle (suv) to reach the bog, park, and then hike on in to the Mission?
Barry |
The rough spot is before the bog, maybe half mile. That trail itself is not all that challenging otherwise. Any stock 4x4 with a locker can make it
fine. |
looks like y'all had a grand adventure!!
why not just walk the last mile or 2? seems like the damaged vehicles would suggest that walking would be cheaper. from looks of the pictures, a good
walk would be beneficial for cardiovascular health!!
i see 2 $500 bumper repairs' and neal johns putting down >$3k to fix truck.
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David K
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I have been to Santa Maria 4 times now.
This time was (by far) the most difficult. All of us with 4WD and lockers or traction control drove through the bog without a problem. Bajatripper's
4runner and Neal's camper AFTER the differential failed (and made him 2WD) were the only vehicles that needed help in there.
Trip 1) MAY 1, 1999: The bog was wet, maybe less than 6" water.
Trip 2) Mid APRIL, 2003: The bog was wet, 6" to 12" water
Trip 3) Memorial Day May, 2007: the bog was 'dry' (damp, but no surface water)
Trip 4) " 2010: The bog was 2-3 feet deep... BIG rains past winter...
Many people drive to the mission, the road was made through the bog in the late 1960's.
The 'rough' spots are nearly all on the final 4 miles coming down from the peninsular divide... with the 'hardest' parts being the granite surface/
off camber section, The Widowmaker (1.1 mile from the mission), the bog, and the final half mile to the mission (where Art's and my bumper got peeled
back).
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by ursidae69
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
So guys (and gals) if you just drove to the "bog" stopping short of entering the water, are the really rough sections of the road behind you, or still
in front of you?
IN other words, is it feasible for a "normal" vehicle (suv) to reach the bog, park, and then hike on in to the Mission?
Barry |
The rough spot is before the bog, maybe half mile. That trail itself is not all that challenging otherwise. Any stock 4x4 with a locker can make it
fine. |
looks like y'all had a grand adventure!!
why not just walk the last mile or 2? seems like the damaged vehicles would suggest that walking would be cheaper. from looks of the pictures, a good
walk would be beneficial for cardiovascular health!!
i see 2 $500 bumper repairs' and neal johns putting down >$3k to fix truck. |
Four wheeling to the mission and beyond to the end of the road was the goal... Camping AT the mission or nearby, was the goal... and how we enjoyed
ourselves. Check out the many YouTubes of others going to the mission... It is like climbing Mt. Everest to Baja four wheelers... we go because it is
there. There was no way knowing Neal would have problems, or that I would bend a bumper, or that Art would pop his tires BEFORE they happened.
These sort of things make us better drivers or better mechanics or better campers... but the one thing that it did the most was make all of us on this
trip BETTER FRIENDS, and that is worth all we went through.
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hbmurphy
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I had a dream this weekend that I visited Art in Pheonix. We had to run out to a parts store so we took his daily driver - It was one of these lifted
about 24 inches!!!  
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edm1
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That's very funny Paul. And my DD is my toad when off-roading in the US :-) It has to match the ground clearance of my motorhome.
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edm1
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"i see 2 $500 bumper repairs' "
I already straightened my bumper, trimmed the bottom and reinforced it with a 3/16x3x2 tubing at the bottom. The bumper assembly is now 5 inches
higher than before. I've trimmed the fiberglass hind quarters to match the height of the raised bumper, for a raked look and improved departure angle.
Cost me $90 in steel materials plus welding elbow grease, excluding paint finish which will be later. Did it all myself. Trouble is I now have to
retrofit my spare tire carrier to fit the new bumper height.
[Edited on 6-8-2010 by edm1]
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David K
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It is funny how close my bumper is to where it belongs... it is still twisted downward 50%, but is nearly parallel with the truck tailgate and no
longer stickingout...?!
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David K
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MORE PHOTOS from HB MURPHY (Paul)
Thank you!
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I was dirtbiking Baja in February 2010 and stopped at the top of the Widowmaker as I was riding solo and didn't want to risk the uphill coming out of
the Mission at that point ....my buddies the next day made it to the water (2
-3 feet deep) where they parked for their walk to the Mission
The road certainly had been "boulderized" by the fall rains, but was a great ride....several hours of helmet-cam video allow me to enjoy the ride
whenever I want now ....
Congrats in getting up the Widowmaker with those rigs
Don't believe everything you think....
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David K
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THANKS!!! IT WAS AWESOME!!!
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Ken Cooke
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bump to the top
Here's to adventure and a great thread! I *still* wish I could have made this run...
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BAJACAT
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me too Ken maybe next time...
BAJA IS WHAT YOU WANTED TO BE, FUN,DANGEROUS,INCREDIBLE, REMOTE, EXOTIC..JUST GO AND HAVE FUN.....
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I'm ready to do it again, November???
Just did Corral Canyon's Bronco Peak and Sidewinder. Everything working good in the XJ.
let me know.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaRoadrunner
I'm ready to do it again, November???
Just did Corral Canyon's Bronco Peak and Sidewinder. Everything working good in the XJ.
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Thanks RR, we are planning another USA vacation in November (New Mexico) at the moment... The deep water should be way down for you... I did do the
rear differential breather mod on my Tacoma, so deep water is no more an issue. Both hb murphy ('09 Tacoma) and I had no issues with the deep water...
only bajatripper needed help as he had no locking differential... and Neal Johns coming out, as he had no 4WD after the rear differential blew.
Do see bajatripper's photos I posted a couple weeks ago: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=47842
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David K
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Sure was a fun trip with everyone!
I am making a web page of it, so I came here to check a couple things I wrote last June...
I will post the web page link when it is done.
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