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Bob and Susan
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we now have a 15 foot welded aluminum boat
the 9.9 hp four stroke engine is too small for outside the bay
but works good for our needs
i'd get a 25hp
remember when the wind comes up
you need to get in FAST
25 hp is the way to go
susan skiied behind a 15 footer with a 25hp last year
of course the weight of mounting and unmounting
a bigger motor is a pain
remember...a small boat is very dangerous on the sea of cortez
you must only go out when its flat
and stay closer to shore
no 30 miles out stuff
but...
the dorado are normally only a mile from shore
most of the time too
they just aren't the "big dogs"
a boat on a trip south will really MAKE your vacation
things look WAY different from the water
edit:
oh yea we put a hydrofoil on the motor
HIGHLY suggested $50
you plane WAY faster and increase your speed
[Edited on 7-12-2010 by Bob and Susan]
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Got one on my wish list
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One of the best things about fishing the Cortez is there are lots of islands up and down the coast and for the tin boat people this is great.
I always made sure I was never to far from one,any island always has a lee side,any port in a storm,I spent the better part of a nite
waiting out a westerly on Smith island,a long nite you bet waiting on the east side under the cone.
Fished Carmen in a 12' Porta-Bote and a 6hp kicker but I wouldn,t suggest you do it
Rob
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Barry A.
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On the "hydrofoil"--------I had one for years on both my 14' tin boat with a 15 hp Johnson 2-stroke, and on my 35hp Mercury 2-stroke on my 13' Boston
Whaler---------took both of them off and like the way they handled without wayyyy better. Never put them on again.
Yes, you get on plane faster with one, but the top speed on both my boats was pretty remarkably CUT with the hydrofoils on. It's all a tradeoff, but
I prefer the straight engine, no hydrofoil. If you are somewhat overloaded, then the hydrofoil does help you get on plane, even sometimes making the
difference of whether you get on plane, or not. I try to NEVER overload my tin boat on the SOC-----it is hairy enough when the waves come up with
just me in the boat.
As for the boat going nuts when you take you hand off the tiller-----could you just tighten up the collar on the engine so that it will just steam
straight along with your hands on, or off, the tiller?? Works for me. I like my tiller a little "stiff" anyway, to avoid just the situation you
described in the above post.
Barry
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Russ
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Barry, I did set my tiller where it tracks well hands off while trolling. Some times one has to fetch a cold beverage or tie a knot. But at 20 mph it
doesn't take much of a bump to change direction. Just had a mental fart. More of those each year. Know what I mean?
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Russ
Barry, I did set my tiller where it tracks well hands off while trolling. Some times one has to fetch a cold beverage or tie a knot. But at 20 mph it
doesn't take much of a bump to change direction. Just had a mental fart. More of those each year. Know what I mean? |
Oh boy do I !!!!!!!!  I have ended up in the drink more often than I
care to admit, for just the reasons you state-----one of the reasons I almost always have another boat along with me, OR I STAY SEATED 100% of the
time, or crawl around & forward (if nobody is watching).
Barry
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Barry,
I agree with the hydrofoil getting tossed. I used to have them up, but I removed them all long ago. Never again.
I always use my leash, since I always fish alone. If I were to go over and the boat not stop. I would be F@#$$d!
If I need something up front, and I am trolling. I also crawl. I could care less what others think. I would rather stay in the boat, and make it home.
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Bob and Susan
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thats funny barry because with a hydrofoil the top speed is INCREASED
yours must have been installed wrong
the new ones are one piece and are excellent
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I have a 14' Gregor with a 15hp 4stroke Mercury. It has transom wheels and I launch it with my Honda quad or Polaris RZR. With the wheels on the
transom it is heavy for 1 person to lift onto the mount on the quad. I rigged up a boat winch on the RZR to pull the boat up.....much easier.
My boat has a floor so I like to stand but I always use the leash when I fish alone or with my wife. I'd rather have the boat die and swim to it than
have Jill try to drive the boat back to and probably over me. I've never felt comfortable standing so I usually don't....dt
[Edited on 7-12-2010 by dtbushpilot]
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fishabductor
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
thats funny barry because with a hydrofoil the top speed is INCREASED
yours must have been installed wrong
the new ones are one piece and are excellent |
It depends on the make and model of the hydrofoil. Some are designed to plane at slower speeds, some are designed to plane better at WOT, some are
designed to troll at slow speeds, some are just cavitation plates...ect.
What brand are you using Bob? how about you barry?
I forgot what my last brand was it was several years ago.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishabductor
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
thats funny barry because with a hydrofoil the top speed is INCREASED
yours must have been installed wrong
the new ones are one piece and are excellent |
It depends on the make and model of the hydrofoil. Some are designed to plane at slower speeds, some are designed to plane better at WOT, some are
designed to troll at slow speeds, some are just cavitation plates...ect.
What brand are you using Bob? how about you barry?
I forgot what my last brand was it was several years ago. |
On the 15 hp Johnson----a "Dole Fin"
On the 35 hp Mercury----a "Sting Ray"
Both are one piece, and both are about 18 inches across and about 1 inch think. Both came on the used engines when I bought them. I began to wonder
when most other folks with the same setups but no hydrofoils were going faster than me when flat out------took them off, and lo and behold I could
keep up with them----that did it for me------no more hydrofoils!!! On the Mercury 35 it actually increased my speed about 4 knots, and rpm's about
500 to take the Sting Ray off.
For me, seeing is believing-------I have no idea if they were "put on wrong" or not, but they looked good to me, and I had them on both engines for
many years before I took them off. To me their advantages are outweighed by their disadvantages.
Just my personal experience, of course. I really have no idea of the scientifics of them. All I know is now both boats scream!!! (relatively
speaking)
Barry
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Bob and Susan
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that's probably why the boat motor companies
dont put them on at the factory
too much screamming
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by dtbushpilot
I have a 14' Gregor with a 15hp 4stroke Mercury. It has transom wheels and I launch it with my Honda quad or Polaris RZR. With the wheels on the
transom it is heavy for 1 person to lift onto the mount on the quad. I rigged up a boat winch on the RZR to pull the boat up.....much easier.
My boat has a floor so I like to stand but I always use the leash when I fish alone or with my wife. I'd rather have the boat die and swim to it than
have Jill try to drive the boat back to and probably over me. I've never felt comfortable standing so I usually don't....dt
[Edited on 7-12-2010 by dtbushpilot] |
I almost always stand in my Gregor when underway, and I have homemade floorboards so I have a level surface to stand on, and keep my feet out of the
bildge when in heavy swells. I have a long handle-extender that I steer with and use for balance. I only sit down when in really rough seas (tho
ususally not even then), and when eating, or just pooped. I find that I can spot the fish boils better when standing, and also see obstacles before I
hit them-----and besides it looks cool to be standing up!!! The tether or leash is an excellent idea that I never have used, but will in the future.
Thanks for that suggestion. The way I have my motor set-up the boat would be long gone if I fell out, tho it would throttle down to idle. (but I
can't swim THAT fast). It has happened to me, and thank Gawd for my friends------that was NOT cool falling out of my boat.
Barry
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bajabass
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If you do not overtighten the steering collar, unattended they will normally rotate to one side or the other, and run in circles at an idle. I learned
that the hard way. My stripped down Whaler clone has a 40 hp Suzuki tiller on it. My doelfin made it plane instantly, and cruise the same speed with
less throttle. The boat is so fast, I've never held it wide open for more than 5 or 10 seconds, and that showed 32mph on the GPS. Any speed above a
fast troll, and the kill switch lanyard is around my wrist!! I can't wait to fish in the relative calm of the Sea Of Cortez, versus the Pacific around
Sausipuedes to Cantamar.
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Here is another forum site that I was looking at earlier that discussed the stingray and the delfin and the pros cons.
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/001390.html
I stay seated when underway, especially at WOT. My 15' 6" westcoaster bayrunner, and 07 yamaha 25hp 2 stroke longshaft move me along at 26mph at WOT.
my trailer is set-up for baja launching. 12" tall x 8.5" wide floatation tires keep the boat trailer low to the ground. The trailer is a roller tilt
style. with a 2ton hand winch and 25' of cable. I have another 100' of 4000# electrical fish tape(dad's is retired lineman) that is looped every 20'
that can be stretched out to retrieve the boat at low tide. However I usually run the beach at 20mph like the mexicans. Just follow a the biggest wave
in at 20mph or so and when you do it right you are high and dry!!
I also have transom wheels, without these I wouldn't be able to launch solo in many areas.... They are Easy Launch....If anyone is interested in these
I am a semi-distributer for BCS and can have them drop-shipped to your home on the states as well. If there is enough interest in the los cabos area I
could have bunch shipped down.
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Barry A.
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Again, everything is a tradeoff, and we have different experiences. Interesting that your doelfin hydrofoil made your Whaler-like boat go faster, and
mine slower. My 13'4" Whaler is very heavy, and has a sportsman console that seats 5 people which is probably an addiltional 300 + lbs, so
deffinitely not "stripped down" model. The 35 Mercury 2-stroke is barely able to push the boat around on a plane if more than 2 people in it------if
I ever purchase a new motor I will probably get a 40 hp Honda, the max. recommended HP by the placard on this size Whaler.
I still like the option of taking my hands off the tiller and have the boat go straight ever tho it is an obvious safety hazard.
Barry
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fishabductor
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how much your boat weigh barry?
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Cavitation Plates, I have never bought one I have always fabricated my own out of 3/16th alum sheet and bolt it to the dinky factory cavitation plate.
I make it larger than anything you can buy I also experiment with turning down the last couple of inches. On the boat I have now 14ft whaler clone
with 40HP Merc. 4 stroke I can get 36MPH It will plane as low as 15MPH and hold it. There is one other advantage we use the cav. plate for a step to
get into the boat. I would not have a boat without one!!!
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bajabass
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I am sure your 13'4' is heavier than my 16ft clone. It was made at Ensenada Boat Works in 2000. A mold of your hull was lenghtened 3 ft in the middle.
No console. Molded in bow bench seat. A center bench seat, and molded in rear seat for me. 2, 6 gallon cans and a deep cycle battery under the cover
in front of the transom. A little tail heavy, but still real light. If I put the battery and fuel up front I'd gain a lot of freeboard at the stern,
but the longer the electrical and fuel runs, the more chances for problems. I am thinking of downsizing the motor to 20-25 hp to balance it out. Oh, a
fat guy in front makes the stearing scary touchy!
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bajabass
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Is your boat a tiller or CC Wiley?
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