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LaloinBaja
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Lived at Pulmo in the late 60's and early 70's...Hate to see this new project even thought about..I remember the fabuulous fishing and diving
there...Oyster bed just to the North...Yellowfin about 2-3 miles off the beach...All the Cabrilla we could eat from the beach .Even an10 lb. black
snook one evening on 8 lb line!!!! What times those were...
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wessongroup
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Mood: Suicide Hot line ... please hold
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Hang in there wilderone, and good for you ..... They'll be back... they are like herpes.... they don't go away....
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Bajahowodd
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It certainly would be wonderful if public pressure could at least alter the scope of this project and have the developers redesign aspects to reduce
the potential impact on the eco-system. But, it just seems to me that the main reason for the present moratorium has more to do with current
international economic conditions than it does about concern for the environment. Face it. Throughout the Los Cabos area, there are several large
scale projects that are currently on hold simply because both capital and demand are lacking.
At the end of the day, this chunk of real estate is incredibly desireable and given time and the likely economic turnaround, it will be for real. Just
keep fingers crossed that as many concessions as possible can be squeezed out of the developers before the project breaks ground.
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mcfez
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
But, it just seems to me that the main reason for the present moratorium has more to do with current international economic conditions than it does
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You got that right Bajahowodd!
That complex will arrive later than sooner. Many projects not only in Baja....some even started and then stopped dead....shut down for a lack of
monies. Hell...there's a high rise building in Sacramento that came to a dead stop.
But the wheels will move again.
I just wish that any sort of "land improvements" be restricted to 1/2 mile from the Seas......any coast.
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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Russ
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"I just wish that any sort of "land improvements" be restricted to 1/2 mile from the Seas......any coast."
I like that concept. I don't have to have my house/casita right on the beach but I would like it to be front row. 1/2 mile maybe a bit much but a
block or so would open the use and view of the coast line nicely.
Bahia Concepcion where life starts...given a chance!
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monoloco
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Projects like that are a no go until Mexico gets their security issues under control, which is not likely to happen anytime soon.
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David K
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Anyone know what happened to Chopy's property?
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movinguy
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Update:
http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/amaxwell/approval_of_the_c...
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bajajudy
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Wild Coast thinks that stopping this project is important enough for a full time employee on the ground here.
Please sign to protect our reef
If you would like more information on stopping this project, please join us tonight(Monday) at 7pm at Dreams Resort in Los Cabos.
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fishabductor
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I spoke with the lead scientist on this project, I bought a generator and a trailer from them...and they said that the marina was basically a no-go
based on the new studies. The project however is still plausible.
The problems I see is where is the fresh water going to come from to support the homes, where are the workers going to come from(mainland) and where
are the gringos with $$ going to come from?
The developers of this property spent over a $100 million(as rumor goes it is around $130M on this property) so my guess they are in for the long
haul, unless they go bankrupt in the process.
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BillP
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Don't trust the NRDC, they're responsible for all the CA MPA/MLPA fishing closures.
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Bajahowodd
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As For The Water...
| Quote: | Originally posted by fishabductor
I spoke with the lead scientist on this project, I bought a generator and a trailer from them...and they said that the marina was basically a no-go
based on the new studies. The project however is still plausible.
The problems I see is where is the fresh water going to come from to support the homes, where are the workers going to come from(mainland) and where
are the gringos with $$ going to come from?
The developers of this property spent over a $100 million(as rumor goes it is around $130M on this property) so my guess they are in for the long
haul, unless they go bankrupt in the process. |
Virtually all major resort projects built in the last couple of decades have included their own desal plant and waste treatment facility.
As for the workers- it was the mainland that supplied just about all the workers when Cabo exploded from the late 80s on.
Can't answer the one about gringos with money.
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tripledigitken
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
| Quote: | Originally posted by fishabductor
I spoke with the lead scientist on this project, I bought a generator and a trailer from them...and they said that the marina was basically a no-go
based on the new studies. The project however is still plausible.
The problems I see is where is the fresh water going to come from to support the homes, where are the workers going to come from(mainland) and where
are the gringos with $$ going to come from?
The developers of this property spent over a $100 million(as rumor goes it is around $130M on this property) so my guess they are in for the long
haul, unless they go bankrupt in the process. |
Virtually all major resort projects built in the last couple of decades have included their own desal plant and waste treatment facility.
As for the workers- it was the mainland that supplied just about all the workers when Cabo exploded from the late 80s on.
Can't answer the one about gringos with money. |
I have to wonder if any studies regarding the effects of the discharges from the desal plants in such a concentrated area have been completed.
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jenny.navarrette
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
I have to wonder if any studies regarding the effects of the discharges from the desal plants in such a concentrated area have been completed.
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You should ask the board environmental expert, ramuma53. He has a mega project under way in Bahia Concepcion called Marina Paraiso Baja. It has 6,000
units, 500 hotel rooms, sport marina, golf course, etc. He surely must have studied all that. Why else would be be soliciting investors for money?
Surely he has an evironmental plan. The only way to provide fresh water for all that development is with a desal plant.
http://munoz-industries.com/paraiso.htm
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Bajahowodd
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From the NRDC report:
"The resolution passed last week authorized several main components of Hansa Urbana’s proposal, including:
Housing, hotel and commercial development
A marina for 490 boats
Two 18-hole golf courses
A 10.5 mile-long aqueduct
324 acres of roads and highways
Two key items missing from that list are the desalination and water treatment plants. However, the clear necessity of having both at a luxury resort
complex for hygienic reasons means that it is very likely they will be approved in the future."
Seems to kinda gloss over that issue. However it just might be a non-issue. Consider the number of desal plants in and around Medano Beach, and the
fact that there is a semi-enclosed bay. Cabo Pulmo is fundamentally open.
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tripledigitken
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jenny.navarrette
| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
I have to wonder if any studies regarding the effects of the discharges from the desal plants in such a concentrated area have been completed.
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You should ask the board environmental expert, ramuma53. He has a mega project under way in Bahia Concepcion called Marina Paraiso Baja. It has 6,000
units, 500 hotel rooms, sport marina, golf course, etc. He surely must have studied all that. Why else would be be soliciting investors for money?
Surely he has an evironmental plan. The only way to provide fresh water for all that development is with a desal plant.
http://munoz-industries.com/paraiso.htm |
Sorry to say there ain't much left alive there now!
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Dave
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Is this some kind of a joke?
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Bajahowodd
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Glad I wasn't the only one thinking that. If one peruses the entire site, it gets better and better. Supposedly the Munoz dynasty has developed the
technology to provide large quantities of desalinated water using solar power.
Getting real for a minute, among several, I can think of two major projects in the Cabo corridor that have been stalled by either the lack of capital
or the decline in tourism. The old Twin Dolphin property and the Hotel Cabo San Lucas property.
Given that these projects have an international airport nearby along with an urban infrastructure, why in the world would anyone consider that
Concepcion project feasible in this decade?
It almost reminds me of a comedic riff on the Loreto Bay project. Like it or not, Loreto Bay did have the airport and did have the power, and, oh, did
have Fonatur.
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monoloco
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If that joke of a hotel he has at Buenaventura is any example of Muñoz's development abilities, then Bahia Conception is safe.
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Bajahowodd
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| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
If that joke of a hotel he has at Buenaventura is any example of Muñoz's development abilities, then Bahia Conception is safe.
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I agree.
In these times, any megalomaniac can pay a few bucks to have a web site built.
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