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Udo
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Thanks for the first photo, DT, that shows the rod and lure you used.
Great stuff!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Udo
Thanks for the first photo, DT, that shows the rod and lure you used.
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I always try to include the outfit and lure in the picture if I can. I'm usually by myself and trying to hurry and get the fish back in the water so
my photos aren't usually "magazine quality". sometimes I get lucky and there will be someone else there to take the photo.
A while back there were some guys here from Colorado fly fishing. They were all guides (professional fisherman) back home and were learning "the
ropes" of fly fishing the East cape. I think it was their last day here and I encountered one of the guys by himself and he had just hooked into a big
toro. He asked me if I could get his camera out of his bag and get some pictures which, of course I was glad to do. I got the camera....a funny
looking thing, and started to shoot pictures. I went in the water and shot back, I thought of all sorts of angles and shot pictures.
After a while the guy said "just leave it on"........as it turns out, it was a video camera.....all the while I thought I was taking still shots. I
can only imagine what the video looked like with it starting and stopping at all the wrong times.
Late in the fight we saw a group of roosters headed toward us. He pointed them out to me in case I wanted to drop the camera and grab my rod. I told
him "I live here, I can catch fish any time, you're on vacation, I'll get the video".....I also said "quit screwing around and reel him in, I gotta go
home"....
It was a nice toro, about 20lbs caught on a fly. I hope he had some usable video.....or at least something he could make fun of the "dumb local" to
his buddies with......dt
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Russ
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dt, I curious about the lure. It doesn't look like a Kroc. Also want a light 20#+ short 6 1/2' to7' boat rod & reel that's no as heavy as my
dorado gear. I've got a Calcutta & a Saltigo reel but they're heaver than I want. I need something with a heaver drag than the Curados. Any Ideas?
When I hooked the toro it just took be where ever it wanted to go like it wasn't hooked up. 
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RnR
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
The problem naturally is the V and B in Spanish sound nearly identicle... Thus corBina and corVina get confused!
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Fishabductor: ... yellowfin croaker
Juan Arce: ... boca dulce
So now I'm really confused....
Obviously some of these names are in Spanish and some are in Engish. Is corBina and corVina the spanish or the english name? Seeing as I live near
the East Cape, what are the local spanish names? I tried asking a local (Mexican) friend about the fish and I think that in my anglicized Spanish
that the V and B were sounding exactly the same..... Hmmm.
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baitcast
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A few tips fishing CorVina,most fisherman use shiny stuff and swimming plugs in the daytime"K/M,krocks and Rapala,all will work.
But when most people call it a day and retire with a few beers this is the time to chase CorVina,nite time is the best time,they will
feed heavy and come in very close chasing bait,some of the best I,ve had was on a full moon anf the best baits were dark Zara-Spooks and a variety of poppers with the Pop-R and the Rapala Skeeter-Pop being the best.
While fishing these things you will get an explosion from time to time because dark nites bring in all kinds of larger fish that need more
cover.
This fish was caught at at Bola where CorVina has never been great but I have always done pretty well at nite on Spooks even at La
Gringa
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Skipjack Joe
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Rnr,
Boca Dulce = Yellowfin Croaker
I couldn't google up Mexican common names for corvina and corbina. In South America white seabass are sold in the markets as 'Corvina'.
Night time fishing:
A few years ago we met a bunch of guys on the pacific side that fished the surf at night with miner hat lights on top. The fish were at your feet. The
boca dulce could be caught with 20' casts and they were everywhere.
How late at night did you fish for those corvina, baitcast? Thought I would try it too.
[Edited on 7-24-2010 by Skipjack Joe]
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fishabductor
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| Quote: | Originally posted by RnR
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
The problem naturally is the V and B in Spanish sound nearly identicle... Thus corBina and corVina get confused!
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Fishabductor: ... yellowfin croaker
Juan Arce: ... boca dulce
So now I'm really confused....
Obviously some of these names are in Spanish and some are in Engish. Is corBina and corVina the spanish or the english name? Seeing as I live near
the East Cape, what are the local spanish names? I tried asking a local (Mexican) friend about the fish and I think that in my anglicized Spanish
that the V and B were sounding exactly the same..... Hmmm. |
Local name on the eastcape is blandita. or at least that my family calls them. they like small silver spoons in 2/5-3/5oz. if anyone is interested in
these lures I am a distributer for RVRFSHR lures out of WA State. They are online. I can get large orders sent down.
These lures work great on steelheading gear. I got 10 in 10 casts this past winter.
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I fished one night a few years back at night, using bait. When we rebaited we would turn on the trucks headlights for light. the lights would shine
out in the water. Every line in the water would get hit when the lights were on.
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Cochi
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dt,sorry for the delay. Yes, I am fishing close to shore, and caught the 31 incher in front of Woods house in the late afternoon(hint:Russ is a
neighbor) We used to run by this spot on our way to chase the nonexistent dodos.Russ you are torturing me with your pics. Went to Squidco and bought
em out of the rebels. Are the walleye runners workin and are they heavy enuf?
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Forgot to mention when using topwater condition of the water means alot,if there is a chop on the water a Spook does not work so hot thats the time to
change to a popper.
When using a Spook and they seem to be missing it alot change the cadence faster or slower if they keep missing changeto the popper,in the dark
you will hear the take before you feel it try and wait till you feel it,hard to do tho
Rob
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dtbushpilot
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishabductor
I fished one night a few years back at night, using bait. When we rebaited we would turn on the trucks headlights for light. the lights would shine
out in the water. Every line in the water would get hit when the lights were on. |
Of course, they were able to see the bait when the lights were on.......dt
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Russ
dt, I curious about the lure. It doesn't look like a Kroc. Also want a light 20#+ short 6 1/2' to7' boat rod & reel that's no as heavy as my
dorado gear. I've got a Calcutta & a Saltigo reel but they're heaver than I want. I need something with a heaver drag than the Curados. Any Ideas?
When I hooked the toro it just took be where ever it wanted to go like it wasn't hooked up. |
The lure is a Subwalk Rapala. It's my "go to" lure. I have been casting lures from the beach all week with no success, Krocks, Deadly Dicks, Salas
jigs all resulted in nothing. I went back to the Rapala and immediately started getting action. I catch a lot of fish with it.
I recently bought a Trinidad TN14 and an 8' Teramar rod for casting lures from the beach or boat. It's good stuff but a pain in the a$$ to operate. I
really miss the level wind feature. I would have suggested a Calcutta. Are you sure your drag is working properly on the Curado? I've caught some big
toros with mine although it was with a bit heavier rod than the one in the corvina picture.
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shari
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Our boca dulce (yellowfin coraker) take 4" krocodiles all the time! an insanely yummy, moist fish that can be just thrown on a fire and cooked like
that...easy and deliciosa.
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I love my calcutta 200. I even fought a 200# marlin on it for 2 hrs with 30# braid, I almost got him too.
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baitcast
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A Coleman lantern works great as a fish magnet on the beach,place some foil on the back side so it won,t you blind you and point it out,bait will zero
in on it if there are squid around they will be all over the place now you have your own chum line,the CorVina will hang right on the outer limints of
light.
This setup will attract sharks as well we caught a number of T-Sharks this way,which is a hell of a lot of fun as well as good
eating.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by RnR
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
The problem naturally is the V and B in Spanish sound nearly identicle... Thus corBina and corVina get confused!
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Fishabductor: ... yellowfin croaker
Juan Arce: ... boca dulce
So now I'm really confused....
Obviously some of these names are in Spanish and some are in Engish. Is corBina and corVina the spanish or the english name? Seeing as I live near
the East Cape, what are the local spanish names? I tried asking a local (Mexican) friend about the fish and I think that in my anglicized Spanish
that the V and B were sounding exactly the same..... Hmmm. |
More fish... A Yellowfin Croaker (and the related Spotfin Croaker) are different fish than the Corbina... But, all three are bottom feeders and have
the downward facing mouth. Croakers can make a croaking or pig grunting sound out of the water, have the yelow fins or a dark spot. Corbinas do not...
I never heard the term Boca Dulce applied to the Yellowfin Croaker until Shari began posting on Nomad and told us that was what Juan called it, when a
Yellowfin Croaker photo was posted here.
From Ray Cannon's 'How to Fish the Pacific Coast':
Spotfin Croaker: Roncandor stearnsi
Yellowfin Croaker: Umbrina roncandor
California Corbina: Menticirrbus undulatus
(The Corbina is the "MOST highly esteemed fish by surf anglers south of Pt. Conception".)
The 'Corvina' is not in the book, except as another name used for the Corbina.. as is 'California Whiting' and 'Surf Fish'.
In Tom Miller's 'Angler's Guide to Baja California', he shows the three varieties that Ray Cannon shows (above), plus three varieties of Corvina:
Orangemouth Corvina: Cynoscion xanthulus
Gulf Corvina: Cynoscion othonopterus
Shortfin Corvina: Cynoscion parvipinnis
(all three are rated as 'excellent eating')
The Totuava (Cynoscion macdonaldi) and White Seabass (Cynoscian nobilis and also called Corvina Blanca) are both related to the Corvina...
Here, it is easier for me to share the page from Tom Miller's book that covers the Corvinas, Croakers and Corbina:
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baitcast
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And speaking of CorVina check out this guy and believe it or not they have been
catching Shortfin Corvina in Mission Bay San Diego for several years and nobody knows how they got there?
Rob
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dt "Are you sure your drag is working properly on the Curado? I've caught some big toros with mine although it was with a bit heavier rod than the one
in the corvina picture."
Maybe not? I have 15# top shot and had the drag really tight and the line just played out. Of course I didn't want to break it off either so I didn't
try to tighten it any further. I loosen the drag after each outing so I just figured it was good.
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A couple of notes:
1. The first picture in this thread is of a shortfin corvina.
2. The first time I heard Mexicans refer to a yellowfin croaker (at Abreojos 20 yrs ago) they called them 'barbitos'. Due to the appendage below the
mouth that looks a small beard.
Oh yes, and #3. I think spotfin croakers are more highly esteemed than corbina these days. I'm sure Woody would agree. Ray Cannon wrote for California
anglers. Baja is a different world. As you move sothward you get pompano, jack crevalle, sierra, roosters, and snook in the surf - all more highly
esteemed than the croakers.
[Edited on 7-24-2010 by Skipjack Joe]
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i wood argee!
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