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comitan
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Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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David K
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Hey, I am in no rush... and I sure don't have money to toss... So, just getting ideas for when I do replace these BFGs on my Tacoma.
Any opinions on these beautiful Italian tires?:
The Scorpion ATR is Pirelli's On-/Off-Road All-Terrain light truck tire developed for pickup, crossover and sport utility vehicle drivers that want to
combine on-road civility with off-road capability. The Scorpion ATR is designed to master long highway journeys, wet roads and the challenges of
winter driving by combining paved road comfort and handling with rough terrain grip and maneuverability.
The Scorpion ATR features a silica-enhanced tread compound molded into a quiet-running, symmetric all-terrain type tread pattern. A virtual continuous
center rib and large, stable shoulder tread blocks provide directional stability and steering response while interlocked independent tread blocks in
the center tread area further promote acoustic comfort, even on-road wear and off-road traction. Sweeping central circumferential grooves and lateral
shoulder grooves channel water to resist hydroplaning and enhance wet traction. The independent tread blocks are siped to provide extra biting edges
that enhance off-road traction on loose surfaces and in snow. The tire's internal structure includes twin steel belts reinforced with spirally wrapped
nylon cord to support the tread area providing predictable handling and high-speed control, while polyester cords stabilize the sidewalls and enhance
ride quality.
(the above is from Tire Rack, not Pirelli's web site)
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bajabass
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 Not a single customer of mine with Scorpion experience liked them. I won't sell
them. All tires fail. Every brand. Every model. Just the law of averages! Had a Dueller almost kill me, and totalled a 2005 Tundra. The next set on
the new truck were perfect when I traded it in.
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comitan
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DK
You must realize your just a tourist in Mexico, if you lived here you would see that at least 85% of the Mexicans use BFG I look at the tires they are
wearing and I think they know what they are doing, especially when there are so many Toyota Pickups down here. Does that tell you something! But you
can put whatever you want on your vehicle.
[Edited on 8-13-2010 by comitan]
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by comitan
DK
You must realize your just a tourist in Mexico, if you lived here you would see that at least 85% of the Mexicans use BFG I look at the tires they are
wearing and I think they know what they are doing, especially when there are so many Toyota Pickups down here. Does that tell you something! But you
can put whatever you want on your vehicle.
[Edited on 8-13-2010 by comitan] |
That's what 'popular' means... I don't bow only to popular when picking a tire or anything. Sure the Tacoma IS the most popular mid-size truck for
Baja travelers, but it is also the best with fewest problems from my personal experience.
BFGs are the most popular tire in Baja, but it has had the most problems from my personal experience... I am in no rush, so just gathering data. You
can search back to 2006 when I went with Coopers and 2007 when I went with Toyos for why I picked them.
The Cooper STTs were totally mid-life crisis tires (they looked great)... but were grave diggers in the sand and noisy on the highway. They did last
the longest 40,000+ miles and were great in mud (Laguna Salada), as expected.
Cooper ATRs and Toyo ATs were both very good and fair priced.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajabass
Not a single customer of mine with Scorpion experience liked them. I won't sell
them. All tires fail. Every brand. Every model. Just the law of averages! Had a Dueller almost kill me, and totalled a 2005 Tundra. The next set on
the new truck were perfect when I traded it in. |
What business are you in... I appreciate the input.
My wife got Pirellis as the first replacement tires for her Corolla when the GoodYears it came with wore out. So far, they are great... Are the
Scorpions just bad as a truck tire, or are all Pirellis flawed, in your opinion?
I tried to find the Bridgestone Desert Duellers, but that model doesn't exist anymore (I think Doug/ BajaNomad has them on his Tacoma, and loves
them). Which type of Dueller do you suggest?
[Edited on 8-14-2010 by David K]
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k-rico
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New shoes for DK
I can no longer resist:
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David K
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Now K-rico, step away from the mirror when you are playing with the camera! 
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BajaNomad
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
I tried to find the Bridgestone Desert Duellers, but that model doesn't exist anymore (I think Doug/ BajaNomad has them on his Tacoma, and loves
them). |
And we just put 4 more new Bridgestones on it just a couple of weeks ago.
695's this time. Those and the Revo II's are the ones to look at for Light Truck, Load Range C tires (some of the sizes come in Load Range D or E -
I'm still using 31x10.5x15's).
Best prices the past two times (here in San Diego) - and I guess it should be no surprise, but it was - were at the Firestone tire stores (Bridgestone
owns the Firestone brand). Discount Tire, Evans Tire, Costco and even Tire Rack were all priced higher.
Bridgestone Dueler A/T D695 (at Tire Rack):
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Bridgestone...
Bridgestone Dueler A/T Revo 2 (at Tire Rack):
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Bridgestone...
I asked at the Firestone store about the Destination A/T's that are rated so high on Tire Rack's all-terrain tire survey. Reference:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/surveydisplay.js...
He told me the Firestones were a great value, but the Bridgestones were a better quality tire overall. (FWIW)
btw... I'm one of those people that has had scary problems with BFG All-Terrains. I seem to have a consistent problem with blowing out the sidewalls
(multiple times) on the BFG A-T's.... but have never had such an issue with the Bridgestones.
Good luck with your tire choices everyone!
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Doug
[Edited on 8-14-2010 by BajaNomad]
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaNomad
... He told me the Firestones were a great value, but the Bridgestones were a better quality tire overall. (FWIW)
btw... I'm one of those people that has had scary problems with BFG All-Terrains. I seem to have a consistent problem with blowing out the sidewalls
(multiple times) on the BFG A-T's.... but have never had such an issue with the Bridgestones.
Good luck with your tire choices everyone!
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Doug
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Thank you Doug... I appreciate the info and links... and more honest feedback on what I have also seen re. BFGs!
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Barry A.
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Here in Redding, CA (northern CA) you can get an estimate from any tire dealer in the city, and take it to AMERICA'S TIRE COMPANY and they will beat
it if they carry the same tire (and they carry all the big name brands), normally by about $8 to 10 bucks, for 4 mounted and balanced.
And their guarantee can't be beat, I don't believe.
Barry
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Bob H
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Jesus......... another tire thread......... WOW
[Edited on 8-14-2010 by Bob H]
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David K
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I really wish tires didn't last as long or where as expensive, because I sure would like to try many varieties! Naturally, once I like a tire, then
you hope it lasts forever! 
As I have said many, many times... I was very happy with Toyo ATs and Cooper ATRs on my '05 Tacoma. The thing they don't have is 'sizzle'... The new
Grabber from General has sizzle, as do many of the tires Ken posted. The problem with most of the off road tires that look great (have sizzle) is they
are either noisy on the highway or do poorly in sand... and sand is my primary surface in the use of 4 wheel drive. 
I wish BFGs did better in sand and did not have weak sidewalls... they look good, are available everywhere, my wife loves them (had them on her CJ-5),
so it isn't a hate thing. Sure, there was a time when I was down on anything from French companies (BFG is owned by Michlin of France), but France has
changed policies since then.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
there was a time when I was down on anything from French companies (BFG is owned by Michlin of France), but France has changed policies since then.
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A change in policy is cause for you to change your economic support? DK: from your posts it appears that you are strongly against Obama's policies,
so why are you not boycotting US companies until the US changes policies?
Hindsight is 20/20, and it appears that the french foresight was 20/20. The french were right in not supporting US invasion of Iraq. In hindsight,
we now know that Powell, Bush and Cheney lied and/or relied on bad info to support their maniacal push for war, and their actions have done little to
cause stability in middle east.
The french were right, the invasion had no justifiable basis, and invasion would destabilize the middle east..
[Edited on 8-14-2010 by mtgoat666]
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woody with a view
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google "rush to war"
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishabductor
DK,
I hear you on the expense of tires. I have bought 2 sets this year. I would like to try many brands as well, I'd like to have a garage full of
different offroad toys with a different set of treads on each.
I love my BFG KM2 mud terrains in sand. They do very good. I use this truck primarily as my boat launching rig and it has preformed great with
265/75/16 tires, even in the soft blow sand on the dunes and high areas of the beach. The sidewalls on this new design is also more reinforced using
the Krawler technology and I believe compound. I run them at 20psi.
My bronco has 12psi on 33" inch tires, locked rear. I don't need to use 4x4 in this rig, in the dunes, on the beach..I only engage on the occasions
that my rear spins. Much funner throwing rooster tails than crawling. I am actually wanting to sell off the bronco and get a long travel buggy. Speed
is more my thing than crawling.
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Sounds good... buggies are a blast!! I like both, low range four wheeling and high speed off road racing or dune buggy runs.
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We ended an evil dictatorship that tortured and murdered its own people and saved thousand or millions of lives.
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we also backed him while it was in our interests.
also, those thousands or millions saved remind me of the employment numbers this admin is spouting. totally unverifiable....
sorry for the 'jack. politicians are ALL THE SAME.
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David K
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You are right, Woody!
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David K
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4WD Off Road TRD Tacoma Tires
Here is what comes on the truck, new
Here is what I got in 2006 as my first replacements for my '05:
Then...
Then...
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Ken Cooke
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David,
I'm checking back in after a week's absence. How much longer do you give your current set of shoes??
I drove my Jeep a total of 5,500 miles last year, and my TrXus MTs could run another 10,000 miles - likely, 2 more years at that rate. They are loud,
and howl like a pack of wild dogs on the highway above 50 m.p.h. I too am thinking of a set of tires that are more quiet on the street, but return
great performance off-road.
The General Grabber might fill the bill for me, since I was looking at an All-Terrain tire that has great sidewalls and good traction off-road. I've
shredded BFG All-Terrains on the trail, and I don't want to sink money into another set. Plus, behind Mike's Sky Rancho, where the boulder blocks a
majority of the trail, and you have to skirt the outside of the trail near the cliff, the BFGoodrich All-Terrain tires were slipping bigtime while in
4Lo, making me a little nervous after my spotter told me about this lack of overall traction where needed most. My TrXus MT tires work very well
off-road, but are difficult to balance and should be packaged with a set of ear plugs after the tire reaches 50% wear, IMO.
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