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[*] posted on 8-17-2010 at 11:58 PM


AS a guest here even after 30 years. I have no problem showing any papers they want to see. I don't always have the L.A.Times with me but tried to keep at least the El Mexicano in my car. Just in case they mean those.
When someone comes from another country as many of us on this forum, it should not be a problem
Just like if your in My Country the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA you should have no problem to show your papers RIGHT.
It goes both ways.
to bad some people don't see it that way.
I think this law has always been on the books but they are enforcing it now.




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[*] posted on 8-18-2010 at 08:39 AM


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Originally posted by irenemm
AS a guest here even after 30 years. I have no problem showing any papers they want to see. I don't always have the L.A.Times with me but tried to keep at least the El Mexicano in my car. Just in case they mean those.
When someone comes from another country as many of us on this forum, it should not be a problem
Just like if your in My Country the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA you should have no problem to show your papers RIGHT.
It goes both ways.
to bad some people don't see it that way.
I think this law has always been on the books but they are enforcing it now.
Amen. Just as we should be enforcing the laws on our books.

This new request for ID in Mx could be in partnership with and at the bequest of the US to help us prevent terrorist entering the US through Baja?




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[*] posted on 8-18-2010 at 09:08 AM


Ok...so it seems one should indeed be carrying a passport when on the road in Baja. ( I'm refering to travel within the 2 Baja states, not border crossing ).
Now, what officials are within their rights to demand to see a passport? INM and military checkpoint guys only? What about local cops and Federales? Am I technically required to be packing my passport on a quick trip to the store?
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[*] posted on 8-18-2010 at 09:48 AM


I asked around and the INM said that yes, a police officer may ask to see your passport and visa, which I thought was odd as it almost never happened.

We should look into the legal aspects further.

I have known people to get into trouble and be unable to prove their status, but the officers said you can go home and come back with the documents later.

I personally think a copy is sufficient in the vehicle and the original nearby but you may at some point find you require a passport/visa in transit.
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[*] posted on 8-18-2010 at 11:22 AM


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I asked around and the INM said that yes, a police officer may ask to see your passport and visa, which I thought was odd as it almost never happened.

We should look into the legal aspects further.

I have known people to get into trouble and be unable to prove their status, but the officers said you can go home and come back with the documents later.

I personally think a copy is sufficient in the vehicle and the original nearby but you may at some point find you require a passport/visa in transit.


So, you agree it is okay for Mexico to do this... but not the U.S. (incl. Arizona)? If Mexican police ask to see your I.D. while you are on foot, it would be a pretty clear case of 'racial profiling', too. In the U.S., since all races make up our population, racial profiling could not be used, and our law clearly states that.

Asking for I.D. (papers) has always been okay our entire lives when confronted by law enforcemnt... pulled over for a ticket, buying beer, at a bank... but it is somehow wrong for Arizona to enforce this long standing rule to check IDs or just to inform the border patrol when they find an illegal? Mexico does it... probably the rest of the world, too.




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[*] posted on 8-18-2010 at 02:28 PM


I've started carrying my Passport when I'm in Arizona.
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[*] posted on 8-18-2010 at 04:17 PM


i seriously doubt, david, that if i was stopped for a traffic infraction in arizona, that any law enforcement person would ask this fat, blond, obviously german man for his papers, other than my drivers license....however, if i was a little, dark skinned man with a spanish accent it sounds like i might have to produce more documentation...that isn't racial profiling???...come on..



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[*] posted on 8-18-2010 at 04:18 PM


I would never hand over my passport to a local cop, can you imagine the extortion bargaining chip he would be holding in his hand. You might as well just stick a thousand pesos inside it before hand.
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[*] posted on 8-18-2010 at 04:26 PM


I said I.D., I didn't say "passport". Whatever I.D. one has for daily living (driver's license usually). If you are outside of your country, a passport or other proof of citizenship is pretty standard.



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