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Dumb, Dumber and just plain Stupid.
Jesse KNOWS because He's SEEN it.
I know that Kangaroos come from Los Angeles because that city's zoo is the only place I've seen one in person.
The absurdity of determining facts from personal empirical evidence has been explored in greater detail than I ever want to, but it's enough to know
that it's pretty dumb to do so. I'm sitting here thinking of ALL the FACTS I could list (including quite a few about Mexico) that MUST be true
because that's what I've seen, but I'm known as one of those harmonious souls who doesn't like to offend people except when absolutely necessary.
And, I feel guilty even then that I may have hurt someone's feelings.
Even the corrupt lying Mexican bureaucracy or the Obama Butt-Lappers don't try to float one as absurd as Jessie and this one.
As once said in court on another subject, IF Jesse is as sure of his facts on other matters as he is on this one, then we know what value to be
placed on those assertions.
The Guns that come into Mex from the U.S. do so because it it more convenient than bringing them in from overseas which they're doing with the heavier
stuff. IF the U.S. sources were totally eliminated (impossible) then they'd start buying the run-of-the-mill stuff overseas at a higher price which
they could still afford. Or, they'd simply bribe more Mexican Military authorities which seems easy enough.
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I'm totally with Jesse on this. Whatever blather emanates from a single wide in Duroville notwithstanding, even so many years after the end of the
cold war, the two nations that provide cover for illicit weapons sales and distribution are Russia and the US. Wonderful bedfellows, eh?
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MrBillM
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Fighting the GOOD Fight.
Worldwide Weapons sales provide JOBS for Americans and contribute to Entrepreneurship in the Third-World.
They serve a very important service, especially in much of Africa, the Balkans and elsewhere by enabling and enhancing continued societal culling and
reorganization, even though some of those African "Freedom Fighters" (they're ALL that, aren't they ?) try to get by on the cheap with Machetes and
tires soaked in fuel. Those that care enough to do the best prefer Firearms. Quick, Clean, Efficient and cost-effective.
While helping the American economy.
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Sleeping well at night trumps such economic gains. Just as there has been an ongoing process to rein in nuclear weapons, why cannot the powers who
have allowed weapons trafficking seek a same such agreement. Selling weapons only results in deaths.
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Anybody that wants to challenge my claim, fell free to see a pretty good list with photos of arms confiscated to drug cartels in the past years, and
then come back and try to claim it isnt so. The photos don't lie, as this is a collection of photos taken from news articles from different sources,
documenting this problem.
BE ADVICED, SOME PHOTOS IN THE THREAD, ARE GRAPHIC.
http://bit.ly/97RptI
[Edited on 8-25-2010 by JESSE]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
The photos don't lie, as this is a collection of photos taken from news articles from different sources, documenting this problem.
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For Chrissakes, Jesse....you ofer a tit's 'n ass website to illustrate your point. Is that the best you can do?
I'm starting to lose faith in you, son.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?156820-W...
[Edited on 8-25-2010 by DENNIS]
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JESSE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
The photos don't lie, as this is a collection of photos taken from news articles from different sources, documenting this problem.
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For Chrissakes, Jesse....you ofer a tit's 'n burro website to illustrate your point. Is that the best you can do?
I'm starting to lose faith in you, son.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?156820-W...
[Edited on 8-25-2010 by DENNIS] |
I could care less, the facts are there, the images are there, dozens and dozens of different seizures all over the country over many years, and its
pretty clear most of the weapons come from the U.S.
You can stick your head in the sand as much as you want, but its a fact, anybody that wants a weapon, gets it from the US, and brings it down to
Mexico. I laugh at the cheap attempts by some that want to deflect blame to other countries. Its a joke and everybody here know it.
Guns from central america? LOL!!!! never in my life have i heard such bull.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
I could care less, the facts are there, |
The facts may be somewhere, but why don't you do some reasonable research to back up your point?
You are just so typically effing Mexican that you don't think credibility has anything to do with what you try to pass off as fact.
What's next, numbnuts....a porn site to explain your Constitution?
Just because you and your garbage government say something doesn't make it a fact.
Do your gawwwdammmm homework and get real.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishabductor
Several of the guns were:
AK47s....Made in Romania, China, and Russia and elsewhere
SKS.....Made in China and elsewhere.
[Edited on 8-25-2010 by fishabductor] |
The country of manufacture is irrelevant. Go into a gun shop in Texas. You think all that armament is all US made? Like go to a car dealership.
They're all made here too!??? Not. The point is that the US has become an international source for weapons. Country of origin doesn't matter.
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Country of Origin
Have to agree there. Most of my collection is of U.S. production, but I've got one SKS from China and one from Russia. AKM from Yugoslavia.
Along with Handguns from Brazil and Hungary.
The AK-Series of weapons are produced in so many Formerly Soviet-Bloc countries and in China that production was ceased in Russia due to declining
sales. There are more than enough to go around, though.
Thank God.
What would be interesting is to actually KNOW the various models since U.S. import laws have resulted in many of the models not being imported which
would mean they had to come from overseas sources. But, we'll never get the straight story. Only what benefits their plan.
Not to worry, though. November's results will put Jihad Obi's disarmament plans on the Back-Burner. He's going to have other things to worry about.
The fact remains that the MAJORITY of the imported weapons could not be proved to have a U.S. origin despite what Sir Hillary and the Mex govt
peddles.
Hard to believe, I know, given that Jesse has personally witnessed every weapons import. Must have happened while he was taking a leak. A number of
times. Those Grenades, RPGs and Ma Deuces would have been hard to miss.
[Edited on 8-25-2010 by MrBillM]
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JESSE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
I could care less, the facts are there, |
The facts may be somewhere, but why don't you do some reasonable research to back up your point?
You are just so typically effing Mexican that you don't think credibility has anything to do with what you try to pass off as fact.
What's next, numbnuts....a porn site to explain your Constitution?
Just because you and your garbage government say something doesn't make it a fact.
Do your gawwwdammmm homework and get real. |
The research has been done, theres a lot of info pointing to that fact. Think about it. It is far harder to transport something illegal from south to
north (as most of us know), and far easier to transport things from north to south. I HAVE NEVER heard any news of any gun shipments, confiscated from
southern Mexico to the north, EVER! How is that possible? how can it be that 90+ of all weapons seizures, are from north to south? IF the claim that a
big chunk of the weapons come from southern Mexico was true, and considering how hard it is to get things from south to north, we would have the
proper seizures, and that is not happening.
Theres a lot more logical facts, but those that won't accept responsability, will dance around the issue for ever.
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Look!!! 147 BRAND NEW AK-47's in their boxes confiscated. They MUST be from China or else right? WRONG! these where confiscated in the U.S. bound for
Mexico.
147 fully automatic AK-47 assault rifles, 263 high capacity magazines, 53 bayonets and 10,000 rounds of ammunition on Saturday, May 30 in the border
city of Laredo Tx.
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Theres clearly many weapons that do come from other nations, but the majority without a doubt, come from the U.S.
Now, i am not blaming the U.S. for the violence here, but there is some responsability, specially when guns like this one can be aquired by civilians:
[Edited on 8-25-2010 by JESSE]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
The research has been done, theres a lot of info pointing to that fact. Think about it. It is far harder to transport something illegal from south to
north (as most of us know), and far easier to transport things from north to south. ....will dance around the issue for ever.
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that is exactly the problem. i must side with Mr Bill on this issue. This is Mexico's problem and until Mexico quits blaming everyone else for their
own problems we will never solve them.
i believe many of the photos of the captures are staged as have been proven on several occasions. it is hard to believe much of what comes out of the
government's blowhole (on both sides of the border) with the shenanigans that go on.
fact is guns are legal in the USA as per the second ammendment of the US oconstitution which I fully support but Mexico wants a selectively porous
border...undesirables out, money in, guns in duhoohh must be the gringos fault. and Mexico has the nerve to try and convince the US
government and its citizens to consider limiting their own rights.
I am willing to (and have and continue to) study Mexican history and this enables me to understand why things are the way they are here in Mexico.
The US deserves the same respect. Before Jesse or any Mexican tries to tip the scales with their opinions on how the US should run its house, please
study the reasons as to why citizens of the US have these rights you question.
this is a two way street. Mexico needs to understand that. i am a Mexican and I believe in strengthening Mexico not enabling the weakening as has
been done for too many years. sometimes the truth isn't what one wants to hear but in order to move forward through life one must face it.
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I am inclined to believe Jesse. Those bimbos on his website have convinced me.  
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There are 7000 gun stores within 100 miles of the Mexican border. Mexicans pay Americans to buy the guns (strawman purchases). Licensed American gun
dealers are selling these guns knowing full well where they are going. An ATF spokesman called the gun runners an army of ants, each one purchasing a
small number and heading south. You can triple your money buying guns in the US and selling them in Mexico. There is no control over the sale of
ammunition. I've read anybody can buy as much as they want.
Of course American gun dealers are profiting from the cartel wars. They know it and don't care, hey it's legal afterall.
[Edited on 8-25-2010 by k-rico]
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For the record, i am not blaming the U.S., at least i am not putting most of the blame on that side of the border, but the guns are mostly coming from
there. Thats all i want clear up.
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What side of the border do the killers come from?
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Why are we still worried about gun origin in this war? No one, no country, no border is going to change the law of supply and demand. It's a
distraction. Mexico is imploding and spinning in circles at the same time. The peso is at 13:1, the corrupt federal government lets prisoners out of
jail at night to commit crimes against random innocent citizens, the police kill their own mayor, the cartels own everybody. There is just too much
frigging money involved for a third world country to handle it.
You could stop the flow of guns south, but taking those measures would also stop the flow of things to the north too- which is unacceptable to Mexico.
There is no tangible solution and Mexico and her people will suffer much worse until they realize that. This drug war will be the second time Mexico
has been conquered- and this time they don't get Spanish cuisine as a consolation prize.
[Edited on 8-25-2010 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
What side of the border do the killers come from? |
Weak.
The Mexican drug cartel bosses would love your logic. What side of the border do the users come from? They (the cartels) are just suppliers. Where's
the harm?
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