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windgrrl
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
Not to swerve the post more but I live here and I can tell you with good authority that the jefe of the Cabo Cortez project (re Cabo Pulmo) told a lot
of local power dudes "President Calderon wants the Cabo Cortez project to be a success and it will happen, with or without you."
On Cabo Riviera, don't take your eye off the ball. The owners are land developers -- they HOPE to sell land to golf course people, they HOPE to sell
land to condo people, they HOPE to sell land to hotel people, marina people, people who might build a home. Don't confuse these people with Loreta Bay
-- they just sell a dream and the dream is dirt close to a pretty beach. In this case, my beach.
[Edited on 8-24-2010 by Osprey]
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I wonder if these developments are some kind of compromise with or project enhancement of long range tourism development planning. I recall a plan to
establish docks for cruise lines across Baja that was contested.
When the way comes to an end, then change. Having changed, you pass through.
~ I-Ching
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monoloco
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I don't exactly see people tripping over themselves to buy into all the other resorts like this in Cabo, Los Cerritos, Todos Santos, Los Muertos, La
Paz, and Loreto, it seems like there is way more resort properties than buyers. So why would this one be any different? IMO they are burning cash and
the payback, if there is one, is decades away.
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Osprey
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Cabo was selling 90 million a month in time shares not that very long ago. That's not chump change and they are still building, selling, building,
selling down there. Recession or no, paradise will always sell.
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Osprey
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Did you come to this board to invite members to argue with you? Chill or leave us to our business.
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Bob and Susan
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishabductor
More people die each day in Mexico than in both Iraq and Afganistan combined.
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that's just NOT true...
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Osprey
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You don't leave my posts unanswered and now you're coming at us from all angles. First you owned a big house out in the boonies and loved it. Now it
turns out you're the caretaker! You got burglarized and lost all your stuff. Whose stuff was it? Level out, man up and it will be fun to argue with
you if that's what you want but this puppet show is dumb and most members won't play.
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Bielefeld
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This is a photo of the modell for the development.
Part of it is in the big arroyo which runs north of town. The salesguy said, they will detour the arroyo so the development would not be effected by
it....
Keep on dreaming!!!
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capt. mike
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"Don't call me names again, Mike - maybe just look in the mirror and ask yourself the same questions - maybe you're dazzled by the perceived "haves"
and feel left out."
ouch....was it a nerve?...i didn't ref to you personally - i was opining globally.
i am a proud "have not". hahahaha good thing i have rico friends too, i get to sponge off their fun all the time and they like having me on board.
i do enjoy soaring with eco nutzies tho. i actually like you. hahaha
ain't internet chatting fun? don't take it so seriously girl - get some skin.
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monoloco
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I don't know anything specifically about this development, but what bothers me is that if their funding runs short and it doesn't fly, which is always
a possibility in this economy, what's left is a giant scar on the Baja coast, like Loreto Bay only worse.
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Bob and Susan
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did you read these...
#1
the first sites no data
just because its posted on the internet doesn't make it a fact
my contacts in iraq won't leave the base
in fear of getting shot
it's DANGEROUS there!!!
#2
Data from 2007...it's 2010 today
and what is murder...war
#3
World murder rates
Math...
USA 16,204 murders
MEX 13,144 murders
no year...iraq and afgan not mentioned
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2006 data included
we could include the civil war...lots of people died then
marina...
i never thought that marina south of tj would never be built
looks pretty good and FULL today
just wait and see....
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vandy
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Back to the basics: Is this new place even going to work physically?
Did they do a sediment-movement study with beach transects? (to find out if the sand is eroding or accreting). How much of this sand was contributed
by the arroyo?
Have they catalogued longshore sediment transport? (To see how much sand passes along the beach through wave/current action and in what directions).
Are the armor rocks on the breakwaters large enough to withstand large wave action?
Do the breakwaters have a large/deep enough base to withstand "sinking" into the sand below?
Can they reroute a flooding arroyo? Maybe we'll find out shortly...
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vandy
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Nah, just a well-educated and practical fishing bum. I know how to do the field and brain work to answer those questions I posed, but nobody's
offered to pay me.
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Skipjack Joe
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I'm with wilderone. Models like this are nauseating just to look at.
In the end you just stop going to that part of baja and pretend it doesn't exist.
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Osprey
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vandy, I can answer some of your questions. It should have been easier this time around for Grupo Mar who built the Puerta La Salina marina near
Ensenada -- the plans up north called for two marinas but natural erosion took out one of them. The same engineer did this one and the erosion is
already a big problem here. The base rock for the jetties started out river rock and bowling ball size -- they finally got bigger ones but no storms
or big seas have yet come to test them. I don't think they know what a challenge it will be to build the desal, sewer, undergrounds when that time
comes -- things are pretty primitive down this way and the village gets by on pretty basic water/electrical/sewer systems as it is. It also might be a
problem for them to sell the dream to hotel/golf/condo developers because those potential buyers might have already learned (by watching the wind
surfing action) that the north winds howl here from Oct. to Mar. enough to cut way down on their iffy opportunities for sucess. Puerta La Salina is
in it's 13th year and was very simple compared to this rare finger island theme so it's gonna take a while to see how it all lays out. What happens in
N. Korea and Iran and elsewhere could change everything in the blink of an eye.
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"The whole state of BCS has a population 425,000."
i seriously doubt the veracity of that statement.
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Cardon Man
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Yeah, those breakwaters will get moved around some if/when a good storm tests them. Another thing, the channel entering the marina is facing due north
right into the wind and waves...brillaint engineering there!
Having spent a good deal of time fishing that beach over the years I know first hand just how many species of fish spawn in and around the lagoons.
Ever seen what comes out of a cast net in those lagoons? All manner of baby critters...pargos, jacks, mullets, milkfish, even snook.
In an area which bases a significant part of it's economy on fishing related tourism it seems foolish to tamper with the nursery that rears so much
bait and sport fish.
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mulegemichael
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IMHO; a complete screwup...taking the quaint, quiet, secluded personality of one of the east capes finest little villages and throwing it down the
shi**er...too damn bad.
dyslexia is never having to say you\'re yrros.
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Cabo Riviera Marina Advances on East Cape
http://www.thelog.com/news/logNewsArticle.aspx?x=12034
By: Capt. Pat Rains
February 04, 2011
LA RIBERA, Baja California Sur -- “Construction of marina channels is advancing on schedule,” said Nydia Altamirano, marketing director for Cabo
Riviera Marina, a 900-acre East Cape resort.
Containing 12 islands with private home sites between deep-water channels, the marina basin will provide slips and alongside berthing for 285 boats, a
dry dock and dry stack storage area, plus a concierge service to fuel and prepare residents’ boats before they arrive. An area of guest docks is
planned within the basin, as well.
Scheduled to open on or before Aug. 31, the resort includes an 18-hole golf course, an artists’ village of shops and restaurants, a boutique hotel and
a spa.
Check it out at La Ribera, a quaint fishing community about 20 miles north of Cabo Pulmo National Park and Los Frailes. Prospective buyers are being
introduced to the property with live music, beach parties and wine-tasting events.
Cabo Riviera has an office in San Jose del Cabo and in La Ribera. For more information, call Altamirano at (619) 270-8771, or visit:
http://www.caboriviera.com
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Fantasticio opportunities at San Felipe Marina
High rise condos within a few blocks: Incomplete after 5 years of construction.
Sea side condos within the harbor district: except for one....all sits vacant for the last 5 years.
Hundred plus boat slips available: about ten in the water....the rest are stacked, rotting away in the vacant lot 3 blocks away.
Would I buy future lots of "promises" of a Marina? Oh yes! 
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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Bob H
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| Quote: | Originally posted by capt. mike
| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
Witih luck, there will be a hurricane or two in the meantime to wipe the land clean of this atrocity. |
Why this hostility toward yachties? They don't have the right to a facility built for their needs? |
jealosy and class war...the haves vs the have knots...
i had drinks with a guy last nite here in havascrew who has more $$$$$$$ and toys than god, boats, planes you name it.
i applaud his success and the means to have STUFF!
we're here for a good time, not a long time.
make your way or get out of the way of others.
i love capitalism...it follows all the Darwinian precepts....the fittest and all that. |
Capt. Mike... very well said!
The SAME boiling water that softens the potato hardens the egg. It's about what you are made of NOT the circumstance.
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