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[*] posted on 9-18-2010 at 02:56 PM


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Im going to a gun show right after I finish this.

No background checks at guns shows????

Sounds like someone is a politician and a little lose with the truth.

I sure hope no one believes that rubi:fire::fire:sh


Here you go.

See youtube.com and search for "gun shows" to see more videos like this. The problem is called the "gun show loophole."





[Edited on 9-18-2010 by k-rico]
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[*] posted on 9-18-2010 at 03:53 PM
You Miss the Point


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Absent from this discussion is appreciation for the U.S. in doing the job for which Mexico is either unwilling or incapable.

I'm sure it was just an oversight. :rolleyes:


This crap was confiscated in Arizona. Sure, it speaks well of our guys. But, that's exactly what they should be doing. Your post seems to imply that the Mexicans should be in Arizona doing the work.

As for all those posting about gun control, the NRA has done a fine job in getting its absolutists message out there. Gun control is wide and deep. In a modern society there must be certain sensible restrictions. That in no way equals banning gun ownership. It just means that a drunk carrying an AK while shopping at Costco, is not such a good idea.
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[*] posted on 9-18-2010 at 04:13 PM


This is not about blaming anyone, i am not against citizens of the U.S. exercising their rights to bear arms. But .50 cal Barrets? Ak-47s? no ID? no backround checks?

Just sounds ridiculous to me, and just as ridiculous, are those that want to create confusion as to the suppliers of weapons for the drug cartels. Claiming the guns come from central america, asia, or where ever. The videos posted show how easy (and cheap) it is to buy high powered weapons of war in the US.

I think any responsible and sensible person, shouldn't be concerned at all if the goverment creates laws simply controlling gun sales, so that joe x or juan x can't go into one of these shows and buy guns for a private little war.




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[*] posted on 9-18-2010 at 04:28 PM


Yes, and the other problem is the straw man sales where citizens with clean records are paid to buy guns for criminals and smugglers. The current gun control laws are ineffective.

The ATF - A federal police agency set-up to control alcohol, tobacco, and firearms. Which of the three have the least controls?

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[*] posted on 9-18-2010 at 04:50 PM


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This crap was confiscated in Arizona. Sure, it speaks well of our guys. But, that's exactly what they should be doing. Your post seems to imply that the Mexicans should be in Arizona doing the work.


The Mexicans should be doing their work at their border.

Had the U.S. authorities not intercepted these shipments I'm confident they would have found their way to the intended destination.

Here's a thought:

Since Mexico seems incapable of policing its borders why don't they simply buy up all these weapons? They could melt them down and make comals.




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[*] posted on 9-18-2010 at 04:52 PM


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This crap was confiscated in Arizona. Sure, it speaks well of our guys. But, that's exactly what they should be doing. Your post seems to imply that the Mexicans should be in Arizona doing the work.


The Mexicans should be doing their work at their border.

Had the U.S. authorities not intercepted these shipments I'm confident they would have found their way to the intended destination.

Here's a thought:

Since Mexico seems incapable of policing its borders why don't they simply buy up all these weapons? They could melt them down and make comals.


What makes you think Mexicans can stop guns, if the U.S. with far more resources, can't stop drugs?




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[*] posted on 9-18-2010 at 05:38 PM


Mexico isn't the USA, there the first amendment has no meaning, no significance, and I am not concerned with the corrupt politicos and cops. It's the poor people that don't deserve the misery that it bought and paid for and then shipped to Mexico. People who pay money for drugs knowing that the money is going to Mexico are precisely and exactly as -------- as religous zealots who send money to the Taliban. There is, no, difference. None. Zero.

Legal marijuana sixty bucks and ounce, narco marijuana thirty bucks an ounce, now which would you suppose pot users in the USA are going to choose?

The USA as a while is pimping the drug cartels (Oh yes of course our financial institutions have safeguards that would pro-hibit drug dollars from being rat-holed in the USA).

But keep those dollars flowing...
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[*] posted on 9-18-2010 at 06:01 PM
On both sides...


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What makes you think Mexicans can stop guns, if the U.S. with far more resources, can't stop drugs?


The operative word is "won't". Neither country has the political will.

But let's be clear:

With regard for illegal drugs, the U.S. is 100% responsible for preventing their importation and Mexico is equally responsible for illegal weapons.




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[*] posted on 9-18-2010 at 07:16 PM


"Legal marijuana sixty bucks and ounce, narco marijuana thirty bucks an ounce, now which would you suppose pot users in the USA are going to choose?"

In which alternate universe is legal marijuana sixty bucks an ounce?

Or better yet, narco (crap) marijuana thirty bucks an ounce?

I live in the state that produces more and better marijuana than anywhere, and it still costs $10.00 dollars a gram. Period. And everybody is growing it now. ??




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[*] posted on 9-18-2010 at 07:58 PM


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Legal marijuana sixty bucks and ounce, narco marijuana thirty bucks an ounce, now which would you suppose pot users in the USA are going to choose?


you stomped any credibility with such a delusional statement.
it costs to produce da kind. even for the cartels.
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[*] posted on 9-19-2010 at 10:51 AM


Well I guess this puts to rest the NRA and gun nut counter claim that the US state department and ATF is wrong or simply lying when they say about 90 percent of guns originate in the US.

They claim that eTrace the only real method out there to trace guns only can trace a fraction of the guns using the serial number and so therefore it means the weapons must be coming from other countries like China, North Korea, countries in South America and other places. ( no it doesn't they haven't proved mass quantity of weapons are coming from those other countries)

The USA is so close, and it's so easy to buy guns and drive them down to Mexico.

The question becomes, "Why buy weapon from anywhere else then the US?"

Of course weapons also come from the Mexican military and a few other places that you can't buy in the US, but the vast majority of victims are killed by bullets coming from assault weapons the same or similar to what you could buy in the US.
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[*] posted on 9-19-2010 at 01:54 PM


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Of course weapons also come from the Mexican military


This is another one of those misinformation "facts" planted by those that won't accept responsability. The Mexican military basically carries one type of gun, the HK G3, not your average gun, not your average ammunition, it is long, heavy, expensive, and difficult to get ammunition. I have yet to see a single drug shooting where the bad guys used a G3. Some claim the cartels buy some of the guns from the military, what guns? the military doesn't carry Ak's, R-15's, or any of the tipical guns that cartels use. The Mexican military might lack many things, but they have very strict controls over their weapons. This is something aknowledged in most serious military circles.




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[*] posted on 9-19-2010 at 02:04 PM


Plus, where is there any evidence of major desertion issues? Seems to me that being in the military would be considered to be a prestige job.
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[*] posted on 9-19-2010 at 02:49 PM


iN TODAYS Amarillo Globe Newspaper it was reported that there has been a 61,7 % increase in Concealed Weapon Permits in the State of Texas since Last Year.

What does that say to you??

As long as there are Drugs coming into the States there will be Guns going into Mexico. It cannot be stopped unless the DOPERS stop using DOPE.

In Texas the increase in Concealed Permits are for a different reason. We seriousley beleive that one of these days there could be some "Shootin' and we want to be prepared.

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[*] posted on 9-19-2010 at 03:25 PM


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We seriousley beleive that one of these days there could be some "Shootin' and we want to be prepared.

Skeet


Whatcha believe the shootin' is gonna be about?
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[*] posted on 9-19-2010 at 03:45 PM


k=rico;

If you will go into Baja or the Mainland and find out some of the Cultural differences about "Cops getting Money form Speeder", come back and report your findinds, I will anser your question.

But to start an answer the Shootin will not be with the Mexicans but very well be with some of our own Folks who have been mislead by the Middle East Factions.
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[*] posted on 9-19-2010 at 03:49 PM


Seems the youngsters of today want to get effd up.

When you've lost your kids....you've lost your future.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/09/latest-drug-tr...
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[*] posted on 9-19-2010 at 03:54 PM


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k=rico;

If you will go into Baja or the Mainland and find out some of the Cultural differences about "Cops getting Money form Speeder", come back and report your findinds, I will anser your question.

But to start an answer the Shootin will not be with the Mexicans but very well be with some of our own Folks who have been mislead by the Middle East Factions.




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[*] posted on 9-19-2010 at 03:59 PM


dennis: Very good report. It is not only the DOPE coming across the Border it is the DOPE being despenxed by the Doctoer of this Country!!

What in the Hell can we do to stop it???

Are there two generations of People who have been taught to use Drugs by their Parents?

How Sad.
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[*] posted on 9-19-2010 at 04:01 PM


Really now, what is more heartwarming than a cuddly puppy? A 61.7% increase in concealed weapons permits. Fact is that although I suppose open carry is better than concealed, I just can't grasp why so many folks feel threatened and by what. The wild, wild West is long gone. And even then, didn't the sheriff make the gunslingers check their weapons when they entered town?
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