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Missing jet skier's wife won't return to Mexico
The wife of an American man missing after a reported shooting on a border lake said Wednesday she will not go to Mexico to meet with authorities
because she is afraid.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39650645/from/toolbar
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
Missing jet skier's wife won't return to Mexico
The wife of an American man missing after a reported shooting on a border lake said Wednesday she will not go to Mexico to meet with authorities
because she is afraid.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39650645/from/toolbar |
who can blame her for wanting to keep her head
Bob Durrell
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Because JoeJustBlowJoe says it's all a hoax.
And, HE knows. |
Well according to the article just posted above the severed head of the individual was unrelated to Hartley investigation. ( see quote below)
I guess Mr Bill believes the wife because she is American, and her words must be taken over Mexican officials words, and besides Gov Rick Perry has
got into the act regarding this incident?
Of course if the incident like this happened just in the US the wife would be the first suspect in the death of her husband, as family members are
usually the first suspect they rule out, especially if they give inconsistent statements like this women has.
If I were a cop I'd come down hard on her telling her C'mon lady which is it? Did the Mexican pirates chase you at a high rate of speed, and you got
away just in time when God was telling you to go. Or were the Mexican pirates surrounding aiming the gun barrel to your head while deciding what to do
with you? Lady why didn't the Pirates just blow off your head too, or take you prisoner, rape you, and then cut off your head? Did God speak to them
to let you go Lady?
Mrs Hartley does your husband have any life insurance, and if so how much is in insured for? Mrs Hartley do you have any Mexican lover, and if so did
you discuss your husband with that Mexican?
Mrs Hartley are you willing to take a lie detector test to prove your innocence, because this investigation is going to cost a lot of money on both
sides of the border and we want to be sure you had nothing to do with the disappearance of your husband.
These are just some of the questions I'd ask. Over on Malkin's site they have a poll where the readers give their opinion on what happened here. The
majority of them say the wife killed her husband, but this was before the rest of these stories came out. I'm sure more people would believe the wife
now, but I don't.......I think the wife killed her husband.
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A spokesman for the prosecutor's office in the Tamaulipas state confirmed that Flores had been killed, but said the death was unrelated to the Hartley
investigation.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
I'm not the only one to cast doubt about this case. I'm shocked to learn that even right-wing pundit blog writer Michelle Malkin doesn't believe the
wife's version of the events.
It isn't often that You'll find Michelle Malkin and myself in agreement, and because not even Michelle believes the wife. I'm going to remain a hold
out and continue to believe this is a hoax or some kind of insurance fraud.
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who cares what joejoe or malkin think? neither hoar knows anyything beyond 30-second sound bites they get from cnn. who care if jojo and some media
skank agree on something?
who cares about anything jojo says -- perhaps fulano cares? 
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JoeJustJoeBlows
And, apparently has a reading comprehension problem.
READ, and note, that I haven't stated ANY Theories regarding this incident. I don't necessarily believe Anybody and that's clear to
those above the Retard level in reading. I have confined my comments to the tendency of people to Theorize wildly
when they have absolutely no FACTS to base their Idiot conclusions on.
There are those who love to speculate on any subject without any knowledge so that they can feel special when it turns out they were correct. They
do, of course, simply forget those times when their ramblings turn out completely off the mark. This will, no doubt, be another of those times.
BUT, Joe knows. Scheisse, at least.
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Mr BillM wrote: JoeJustJoeBlows
This will, no doubt, be another of those times.
Headless MUST be a Coincidence
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Mr Bill said, "I haven't stated ANY Theories regarding this incident." Oh really?
Mr Bill your hostile message is loud and clear along with your "proud Jingoist" mood; your inferred opinion that I blow; that I will be wrong.
Just come out and admit you believe the wife and you believe Gov Rick Perry's BS the Mexican pirates/ cartel killers cut off the investigators head as
a warning!
If you didn't believe the wife Mr Bill you wouldn't have made the premature sarcastic message about the " Headless MUST be a Coincidence?" As if
that's proof that there are indeed Mexican Pirates killing gringos on Jet Skis for the hell of it.
In a couple of years I predict this case will be on "Dateline" in a hour long story.
[Edited on 10-14-2010 by JoeJustJoe]
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"Infer" seems to rule JoeBlow's Logical method which is not surprising. When people of Low_Intellect "infer", however, the result is usually just
more retarded bloviating bearing little relation to reality.
Go Joe Go. Or, Blow Joe Blow.
IF you're proved correct, you can feel like the Leader of the Special-Ed club and we'll acknowledge your "Savant" status.
On the other hand.........., Yeah, we'll bring that up again and again and again.
I don't have any idea what's true in this case and NOBODY operating on the facts alone has any proof. The latest theory on the news media is that it
was a case of mistaken identity. Living in the High-Desert where there have been a number of Mistaken Identity shootings by the Druggies, that would
not surprise me, either. Back in the 70s, we had two motorcycle riders enjoying the off-road when they inadvertently crossed near a cabin where drugs
were being manufactured. The occupants came out with rifles and shot both dead.
All a mistake. So, Quien Sabe ?
IF it's a hoax, THAT will come out eventually. It always does. If not, "Maybe" we'll find out, assuming the Mexcops have the desire to keep going
and the guilty don't cover up the evidence too well.
A-M-F Joe. Keep up Coming up with that "Inferring" stuff. It's worth what it costs.
[Edited on 10-14-2010 by MrBillM]
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What are the odds?
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Mr Bill believes the wife because she is American, and her words must be taken over Mexican officials words |
Given then level of corruption why would anyone initially believe the words of a Mexican official over those of an American?
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Hey Paul F. Sullivan,
Go to Fulano's Blog and get the lastest theory on this unfortunate event.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
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Mr Bill believes the wife because she is American, and her words must be taken over Mexican officials words |
Given then level of corruption why would anyone initially believe the words of a Mexican official over those of an American?
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Because one of the first things you do in a murder case is look for a"motive" and that means one of the first things you do is look at family members,
especially a spouse.
The wife doesn't come across as credible at all hearing voices from God, and making 180 degree inconsistent statements in regards to the shooting were
they chasing her at a high rate of speed. What an expert marksman that Mexican pirate must have been to shoot a guy in the back of the head riding
away on a fast moving Jet ski. Was the shot to the back of the head or front? The wife seems undecided if it was a front or back head shot? If it was
the other scenario where they surrounded the wife with guns aimed to her head. How did she get away because it would have taken her at least 10
seconds to get away from shot range?
Someone like a Dr Micheal Baden a forensic pathologist would have a field day debunking the wife's statements such as how the body fell when shot.
Of course Texas Gov. Rick Perry says is reprehensible for anyone to question the wife Mrs. Harley's account. Why not question her account Gov Rich
Perry when she makes so many inconsistent statements?
Could it be because she is white, she is American, and her version of the events shouldn't even be questioned because of that? And everybody knows
Mexico is dangerous, corrupt, and Mexicans shouldn't even be trusted to tell you the truth.
Then we have Mr Bill over here saying, listen to me folks don't speculate what happened on Falcon Lake because you might be wrong and get your "read
end" handed to you, and I'm going to get my panties in a bunch if you do speculate, and Mexico is corrupt and will probably cover it up anyway. BTW
the latest theory on mistaken identify sounds plausible to me cause I remember in the 70's a couple of yahoos were shot by Mexican drug dealers. ( yes
I'm inferring here on a couple of things Mr Bill has said, I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong.)
So Gov Perry and Mr Bill I'm going to continue talking about this case as long as I'm a member here. I think this is a interesting case. I think it's
thinly veiled racism if anybody like Gov Perry would have a problem looking closely at some of Mrs Hartley's statements and looking at her as a
possible suspect.
On forums such as the "Nomads" and just about all other forums. Members do offer their opinions on a wide range of subjects. Why should this incident
be the exception?
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Mtgoat wrote: speculative meaninglessness too
who cares about anything jojo says -- perhaps fulano cares?
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Lobsterman Hey Paul F. Sullivan,
Go to Fulano's Blog and get the lastest theory on this unfortunate event.
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Hey thanks Mtgoat for mentioning that Mr Bill's post was both speculative meaninglessness too. You're right.
Mtgoat I doubt if anybody cares much of what you write either, and our friend, although watches every move I make, and would like nothing else but to
come here and debate me on this subject. He is watching you too, and in fact made his second statements about your so-called ultra liberal positions
that he doesn't like, but he claims because you don't lie, cheat, or steal your safe for now away from being a featured "Nomad" member. Damn I wished
he would reconsider. Those things are funny to read, although I doubt they have much truth in them.
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Lobsterman if anybody believes the BS that I'm this Paul F. Sullivan loser.( the 3rd time the charm?) Then they probably also believes the wife's
version of the killing. Now it could turn out that I'm wrong, and I'll wear the egg on my face, but I'm almost sure the wife's version of the event is
complete BS.
And yes I saw the latest theory, because I know how to use "Google" and search for the latest on any subject like our friend or your multiple
personality Lobsterman?
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7246482.htm...
I didn't know that "Think Tanks" do murder investigations too?
The key words in the whole article is this Why doesn't he cite his source? And
since when do Mexican drug cartel members hide their killing? If you ask me the drug cartels are proud of the heads they cut off and like to display
them in public.
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"Burton, who doesn't cite his sources, goes on to say the beheading Tuesday of Rolando Armando Flores Villegas, the lead Mexican investigator in the
case, was a stern signal to both the United States and Mexico that no body will be produced and to leave the situation alone."
[Edited on 10-14-2010 by JoeJustJoe]
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More Blow from Joe's Hole.
Speaking of Nutcases, the whole thing DOES seem a little ODD.
Not the shooting, But the extent to which JoeBlow seems to be obsessed with promoting HIS version of something he has no information on.
Now, that "might" keep a Psychiatrist Busy.
I saved a copy of his version so that we can compare it to future events as they develop.
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Joe Blows Mr.Bile....Mr. Bile is just another Joe
You guys are greatthis is getting better than Turtle Soup
Don't believe everything you think....
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Thanks
I live my life to perform a necessary Public Service spreading Knowledge with alacrity and patient understanding for the lesser Intellectual Lights.
I "COULD" be described as the Literary equivalent to Mother Teresa.
Feel free to use that description. You won't offend my Modesty.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Feel free to use that description. You won't offend my Modesty. |
Always fun to watch you perform, Bill.
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At the risk of getting Mr Bill's panties in a bunch again and ignoring his request that we don't speculate on the killing except what he says. I'm
going to continue talking about this case on Falcon Lake because it keep me entertained, and if you know me I do sometimes cover subjects in great
detail.
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There are news articles out there that mistakenly claim that Mexico has suspended the search because Mexico and even the US accept as fact the theory
that the killing was a case of mistaken identify by the drug cartels.
But this article seems to be the most accurate based on the words the Mexican spokesman Ruben Dario Rios of Tamaulipas.
"Dario Rios said Tiffany Hartley has not responded to the AG's formal request for more information about the incident. "We still have not spoken to
her."
I wonder what's the real reason Tiffany Hartley won't speak the AG's formal request for more information from Hartley, and I don't believe that
Hartley fears for her life when I'm sure other Americans would go with her to protect her. I think Hartley fears the truth will come out under
questioning from the Mexican investigators, and if Hartley really loved her husband, and wants to find the body then I would think she would put her
fear aside and answer the questions the Mexican investigators have.
Hell the Texas Rangers are on this case. I would think they would protect Hartley, and would solve this case by now?
Personally I think the searches are looking in the wrong place for David Hartley. They should be looking in the Arizona desert because Arizona's Gov
Brewer says there are headless bodies buried in the desert on the US side:
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Mexican Authorities Suspend Falcon Lake Search
FALCON LAKE -- Mexican authorities confirmed Friday the search for David Hartley's body has been suspended. Ruben Dario Rios, a spokesman for the
Tamaulipas State Attorney General's office, told CNN "We have suspended the search for the body. Our investigators have taken a temporary recess so
that we can better assess the strategies we are using to find the body. We are currently considering other approaches to our search." Darios Rios said
the search was suspended Thursday. He denied reports that threats of violence by Los Zetas led officials to suspend the search. "We have no official
information of threats on our investigators," Darios Rios told CNN.
A homicide investigator with the State AG's office was decapitated this week two days after releasing information about the case to the media. Mexican
officials have denied his murder was connected to the Hartley investigation. Dario Rios said Tiffany Hartley has not responded to the AG's formal
request for more information about the incident. "We still have not spoken to her," he told CNN.
CHANNEL 5 NEWS spoke by telephone to Tiffany Hartley's mother, Cynthia Young. "We are very disappointed," she said. Young said the decision by Mexican
authorities to suspend the search lessens the chance of locating David Hartley's body. Young said the family told investigators almost a week ago to
focus their search on land, not Falcon Lake. She said the family is willing to meet with Mexican authorities but only in the United States. "We're not
going to Mexico," she said, adding the family has given Mexican investigators all the information they have.
Tiffany Hartley said she and her husband David were ambushed Sept. 30 by men in three boats while taking pictures near a historic church on the
Mexican side of Falcon Lake. Hartley says her husband was shot in the head and she was forced to abandon his body as the pirates approached her and
opened fire.
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Please spend a moment and think about the 2 familes that lost someone close to them. Think about the emotions that both families are having to endure
right now. Then please be thankful that this did not happen to you or your loved ones. We have all lost someone close to us in our lives, how would
we feel if others where making speculative comments about their death purely for entertainment purposes.
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Thar He BLOWS !
Somebody get the Harpoon.
Given JoeBlow's Bombastic Detailed Theortical Analysis sans Facts, we can only hope that he doesn't turn his attention to Sodomy.
That would be much more than anybody wants to know.
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I'd hate to get facts in the way of endless speculation but The Today show this morning had dashcam video from a Texas police cruiser. They stopped
the car towing the two jet-skis behind on a trailer over for having expired plates. The trailer had MEXICO plates, from when the couple lived in
Reynoso. It would seem logical a Mexican trailer unloading jet-skis could be mistaken by one cartel as being water-spies for the rival cartel...
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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This is crazy. Now the cartels have a Navy of Swift Boats??
They could afford a space program. Maybe they should bail out NASA.
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