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Brian L
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| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
| Quote: | Originally posted by Phil S
Well, I guess the voters have a message for you "pot" smokers. They don't want it.
Can't say that I blame them. sure ruined my sons life. He started with marajuana he said, and progressed to the "other drugs". Now 16 years later,
his daughter (who started with marajuana she said) and in about one year, was using needles to get her 'high'. So go ahead youse guys & girls,
who obviously have not had to go through this with your kids, keep promoting legal useage of drugs, and people like my wife & my family and my
friends & their families & their friends, etc, etc. etc. will keep voting down your lousy ballot measures until you give
up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We got the clinical marajuana measure in Oregon defeated. Always the 'users versus the smart ones'!!!!! When will it ever stop? We will always
prevail!!!! For those that wonder: grandaughter has now spent two times in a drug rehab center. And a gorgeous thing at that. And only 16. What a
waste. Now clean. But the question will always be there. For how long clean????? Prayers help a little!!!!
[Edited on 11-4-2010 by Phil S] |
Blaming it on a herb is easier than examining one's parenting skills, or
lack there of. I have observed that children whose parents are actively involved in their lives don't have drug problems. This is no different than
saying alcohol should be illegal because some people will become alcoholics. |
Wow, that was a bit harsh. I hope you know PhilS.
Brian
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k-rico
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Phil S
Well, I guess the voters have a message for you "pot" smokers. They don't want it.
[Edited on 11-4-2010 by Phil S] |
44% voted for prop 19, 56% against.
back to the smuggling issue. I'm aware of about 150 tons of pot being confiscated in TJ in the last few weeks.
150 tons!!! 
[Edited on 11-5-2010 by k-rico]
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tripledigitken
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| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
| Quote: | Originally posted by Phil S
Well, I guess the voters have a message for you "pot" smokers. They don't want it.
[Edited on 11-4-2010 by Phil S] |
44% voted for prop 19, 56% against.
back to the smuggling issue. I'm aware of about 150 tons of pot being confiscated in TJ in the last few weeks.
150 tons!!!
[Edited on 11-5-2010 by k-rico] |
First no on prop 19 and now the confiscated pot, I'll bet there are some bummed-out old hippies out there.
Ken
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Cypress
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Who know's, smoking pot might actually have beneficial effects upon some personality types? In any case, if someone has tendencies towards self destruction they're gonna find a "drug" of choice. Some people choose food, some
choose $, and some just follow whatever crowd that happens by.
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Phil S
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Monoloco. Didn't realize you were a drug counselor. "addiction issues"????
Had you also thought of the "druggies" who break & enter to satisfy their drug addiction needs? Have you thought of the "larger" picture if
anyone could access it?
It wouldn't be safe to be driving on the streets. Not that it isn't a problem as it is these days. Wonder what they'd say if the criminals who are in
prison were to be interviewed as to how many would say, "it all started when I took a pull on a marajuana cigarette?" I know that arguing the
benefits of marajuana legalization versus, control is like trying to get a Republican to come around to the democrats way of thinking/voting.
Viva la Baja
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Without straying to far from the point which was....oh, yeah, a tunnel, we have to take some time to be relevantly entertained:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0404364/
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100 million people in the US have used marijuana and there are millions of people who are doctors, lawyers, business owners, etc. who use it
responsibly just as millions of people choose to come home from work and have a c-cktail or two to relax. It is a substance that has been in use for
over 5000 years with never a recorded death (can't say that about alcohol)making it the safest of any psycho-active substance. The argument that it
leads to heroin addiction is as ridiculous as saying beer leads to heroin addiction (after all, all those heroin addicts probably drank beer before
they started shooting up) the fact is that there is a certain percentage of the population that is going to end up addicted to something be it drugs,
alcohol, food, sex, etc., but that is no reason to criminalize them for everyone.
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Cypress
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Phil S, Pot's illegal. Drug problem solved. Case closed. Big pharma's happy, the
alcoholic beverage industry is thrilled, and law enforcement has a "cash cow" it can continue to milk. The illegalization of pot is the 21st.
century's version of the prohibition of alcohol, just as effective and will eventually be discarded.
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MrBillM
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Costs versus Taxes
Not too long ago, a lot of the same people who were advocating legalizing Pot to reap the tax benefits were the same people who "Claimed" that the
COSTS to society of Alcohol and Tobacco usage were NINE times the Tax benefits.
Would not the same be true (or worse) regarding expanded Pot usage ?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
"Claimed" the COSTS to society of Alcohol and Tobacco usage were NINE times the Tax benefits.
Would not the same be true (or worse) regarding expanded Pot usage ? |
"Claimed"? Don't believe all those "Claims" about any and everything. Is govt./society responsible for ever idiot that comes down the pike? Do you
feel responsible for all the bad decisions made by other people? I hope not.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
Phil S, Pot's illegal. Drug problem solved. Case closed. Big pharma's happy, the
alcoholic beverage industry is thrilled, and law enforcement has a "cash cow" it can continue to milk. The illegalization of pot is the 21st.
century's version of the prohibition of alcohol, just as effective and will eventually be discarded. |
 
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The POINT Being .............
That many of the people in favor of legalizing Pot for the purposes of Taxation were those in the past claiming that the costs to society for alcohol
and tobacco were far in excess of the taxes realized.
I wasn't saying that I believed any of it.
I don't care one way or the other. MY reasons for voting against Prop 19 were based upon other considerations.
and, WE WON.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
WE WON. |
Shallow victory, Bill. I don't much care either, but it's just a matter of time.
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MrBillM
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Better THEN than NOW
NOTHING is inevitable in Politics. 2008 and 2010 are proof of that. All sorts of events can change the landscape at any minute.
Even in California. Meg Whitman "might" have been able to spend enough to beat the Moonbeam if she hadn't hired (and fired) an illegal alien.
Quien Sabe ?
Let them try again and we'll fight that one when it comes.
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I thought that conservatism was supposed to be all about less regulation, smaller government, personal responsibility, yada yada. So why are self
proclaimed conservatives so willing to criminalize a large portion of the population and spend billions of dollars of the taxpayers money prosecuting
and incarcerating people for using a substance that is less harmful than alcohol?
[Edited on 11-6-2010 by monoloco]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
I thought that conservatism was supposed to be all about less regulation, smaller government, personal responsibility, yada yada. So why are self
proclaimed conservatives so willing to criminalize a large portion of the population and spend billions of dollars of the taxpayers money prosecuting
and incarcerating people for using a substance that is less harmful than alcohol?
[Edited on 11-6-2010 by monoloco] |
For the same reason they say to reduce the deficit unless that means eliminating the Bush tax cuts...then it's okay. Or no Gov't run health care but
don't get rid of Medicare or the VA. The hypocrisy is endless in politics.
[Edited on 11-6-2010 by Bajaboy]
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MrBillM
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Conservatism
That OLD argument comes from an (Intentional) misreading of Conservative values.
Conservatism is NOT about LESS Regulation and LESS Government per se, but rather about the LEAST Government necessary to achieve the Values and
Standards Necessary to protect the populace as embodied in the Constitution and the Will of the Majority while guaranteeing the Human Rights of all
individuals. It IS about empowering the Federal government ONLY to the extent that State and Local government is unable to adequately address a
COMMON concern.
The Federal government has a proper role in controlling dangerous drugs since state-by-state control would be inadequate and dangerous to the
population as a whole.
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Cypress
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
The Federal government has a proper role in controlling dangerous drugs since state-by-state control would be inadequate and dangerous to the
population as a whole. |
OK? I agree, it's all about control. But, when you get right down to it, isn't
it about controlling the freedom of choice of individuals?
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Here's something for the "potheads" out there:
http://thepotheaddiaries.com/
The music isn't my favorite and the earlier versions of the T-shirts were really cute!
I'm not soliciting any business for them or anyone else I just get a little irritated when I see negative posting about "potheads". There are those
who are helped by this herb, cannabis, and I do have family members that have life threatening illnesses that big pharma cannot help. Cannabis helps
them! Some can smoke it for immediate relief, others must enjoy the edibles that I make for them. Wonderful; as I do not believe that anyone needs
to suffer. So please do not lump us all in one category. We come from all backgrounds, religious or not, and all income brackets and education,
color, size, gender....cancer, AIDS, neurological diseases and a whole host of other less life threatening disease/illnesses that do not pick and
choose who to affect....who to attack....who to kill.
Those who are "medicating", be it cannabis, alcohol, pharmaceuticals, for recreational purposes should be aware they are in fact "medicating
themselves", my personal favorite is a freshly made margarita with a little fresh o.j. mixed in. Obviously, this is not for children. I started
Budweiser out of a can no less.....(nasty stuff that is!) Luckily for me I do not have an addictive personality, never succumbed to peer pressure,
don't blame my parents or anyone or anything else for what could be wrong with my life. Sometimes S&it just happens....Yes, sometimes I get mad
or sad or someone just eff's me over....I yell, I curse, I'll have a pity party.....but I always get over it! My brother wasn't so lucky. I think he
started with Budweiser too....he's dead.
Yea to California for Prop 215, and to Arnie for signing a bill affectively making possession of up to an ounce equal to a speeding ticket.
To those who live in other states that say/vote no to allowing those with qualifying conditions to be treated with mother earth's herb...please
educate yourselves. Visit a cancer patient, visit a dying man or woman who's only pleasure left in life is the calm and smile on their face while
being medicated with a "hit" or cannabutter goodie....better yet.....how about volunteering to care for that patient for six months...oh yes...full
time. It will be then that you see the need of those people.
With enough time and patience you will all see what this herb can do for you! Why? Even if you're lucky enough to escape the more dreaded disease,
look down....those knees? They'll be talking to you someday! Asking you why on earth did you buybuild that house will all those stairs and narrow
door widths!
Have a great day....
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Cypress
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ckiefer, Thank's! You're right. The anti-pot crowd is in denial, a better term might be "willfully ignorant". Our grandchildren will laugh at how
stupid we we were by continueing to demonize pot.
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