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FrankO
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Unimogs are the most underpowered POS's out there. You really have to spend a few dollars to get them where they need to be. But whatever blows your
skirt up.
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capn.sharky
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Hummers
Jeez---I haven't seen anybody get this excited about a Hummer since Clinton was President.
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David K
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Ken Bondy's Hummer
As seen on www.kenbondy.com:
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Ken Bondy
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Thanks David...
but it looks too clean in that one. Kinda supports JRBaja's theory that they have a self-cleaning switch. How do you use the hot-link method??
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capt. mike
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ken, is yours gas or diesel?
are the diesels 6.9 L turbos? do they even have gas ones?
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TMW
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The H1 is diesel and the H2 is gas and the new H3 (built on the Colorado frame) will be a 5 cyclinder gas starting at $35000. Also GM said they are
making the Duramax 6.1 diesel available in the H1. I don't know if that is in addition to or a replacement for the existing engine.
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jrbaja
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Aren't these nameless clowns
Cute? Or Margie, is that you ???
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Germanicus
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To DavidK: 'Pinzgauer' is an austrian company making all kinds of off road vehicles.
Amoung those a one with 6 wheels > not much bigger than a John Deere Gator. But can swim. lever steering and the tires are the props when swimming.
Awsome machine, goes everywhere a hummer gets stuck.
About the unimogs and 'underpowerd' machines.
The unimogs do have the most powerfull engines of all off roaders >>> up to 300hp
isn't that enough?
And they come as diesels with the highest output of newtonmeters of all offroaders.
I got to go in there to inform myself about correct figures that's why I only make an approximate figure here, the newtonmeters they produce is
something in the 700 range.
There is no substitute to an Unimog if it comes to heavy terrain.
Why ist it then that most Army's in the world use the unimog for transport and special duties in heavy terrain and not the Humvee?
The Humvee is used only by the U.S.Army to replace the most dangerous Jeep.
Not by any other Army in the world.
The Unimog is just not as fast on the promenade highway as the Humvee.
They are truly built for off roading and the top speed therefore is about 65 mls.
Germanicus
P.S. nice pic from the Hummer. Including abolutely clean tires. No dust even on the thread.
Are there rinseless / spotless drive through wash streets in the Baja Desert?
I like the deep blue sky and the tall catus the most.
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Ken Bondy
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Mike it is a 6.5L turbo diesel.
...they do make a few H-1's with gasoline engines but they are rare. There is a section in the user's guide on the gasoline engine model.
++Ken++
[Edited on 8-8-2004 by Ken Bondy]
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David K
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Germanicus said:
"The Humvee is used only by the U.S.Army to replace the most dangerous Jeep.
Not by any other Army in the world."
You will be shocked when you drive in Mexico and see more army Humvees than anything else their army drives. Before it was the Jeep CJ-6... they used.
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senor pumpwire
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Hummer v Unimog
Hi Germanicus, I am familiar with the "mog, and would love to own one. They are a great machine. The pzingtauer (sp) and the similar machines are
nice too. (One thing about the zingers is thee fuel tank placement is abysmal, right out in the open and very vulnerable. or maybe I am thinking of
puchs)The hummer is used for totally different purposes that moggers. They ar not just to transport soldiers, they FIGHT out of the humvee. You
could sandbag the back of a mog and make a passable wasp nest out of it by putting crew served weapons in it. By contrast the humvee is used in full
combat almost stock with troops patrolling in it ahead of or in conjunction with tanks and armored personel carrriers. They must be very fast and
stable and have a low profile to enhance survivablity. We use various "6x6" trucks for transport. The us military has many (too many possibly)
commitments around the world and as such the design is a compromise. On narrow forest trail the "mogger" with extreme approach and departure angles
would do better, but you would not want to be in a column of unimogs attacked in open country by comparably armed bradleys. I am suprised that
unimogs never caught on as a toy of the crowd that has money to burn, they are very nice! of course those of us using 2wd vans to go to 90 percent of
the places these guys could go in hummers and moggers could buy lots of trips with the price difference. To each his own, and I will take either one
from the factory for "long term testing" LOL. Dave in Jamul.
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4baja
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unimogs are nice but very bulky and top heavy and rarly seen in those tight areas that are fun to explore. up were i live you see them in the photo
adds all the time and there fairly cheap tho you never see them offroad . would love to own a H1 but couldnt afford the tires, would never own a H2.
my 1949 willys jeep will go allmost anywere you have the %$# to take it but dont be in a hurry. 
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Bob H
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Wow, here's more info on the Pinzgauer.
http://www.pinzgauer.uk.com/
Lots of photos here...
http://www.pinzgauer.uk.com/Gallery.htm
Bob H
The SAME boiling water that softens the potato hardens the egg. It's about what you are made of NOT the circumstance.
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jrbaja
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Thanks Bob
great Pinze page. One of Don Jimmy's dreams was to have a Unimog for travel. Wonder if he woulda liked a Pinze better.
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Mexitron
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I agree with 4baja--the unimog and pinz are too darn big to go to most of the really good places....even my full-sized Chevy gets banged up pretty
good in those tight spots!
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Herb
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DanO
Two hummers a day? Way to go, JR! |
I think DanO's post best exemplifies the original intended levity of this thread
I cant' brag about my Hummer (at least not lately) But I would be interested in one of those self-cleaning systems. My little puny SUV at barely a
third of the cost of a "Hummer" could sure use one...
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Debra
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Surfer Jim
The road to La Gringa is in better shape than I-5 in Northern Calif. If you are looking for the wash-board test, I'd suggest you try the road to Camp
Gecko  it truely sucks right now!
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Germanicus
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well, senorpumpwire pointed it out already.
The unimog covers other/different tasks than the Humvee in any Army.
Please don't forget that the unimog was first built as an agriculture vehicle in the early 1950.
But it has this unique 4wheel-drive-system.
Diff Lock in Rear and diff lock to the front.
So theoreticly it can drive on one wheel.
I mentioned that I have a 1622 and it has the same diff locks.
The Humvee was designed from the early beginning as an fast combat vehicle which the unimog never was.
And the Humvee > I guess as the first american vehicle ever < is using this special axle design, built in license from Mercedes Benz.
Where no straight axle connects the left wheel with the right wheel, but two gear wheels (gear-drive) replaces the actual axle.
Q.: How do you call that axle design correctly in English?
By the way, there are more types of agriculture unimogs and community unimogs then military types.
About the size: it depends on which one you drive.
I do had a 406 which is smaller in size than any H1 or H2.
It had 32 gears and of course all the diff locks as mentined.
if somebody reveals the secret to me how to place a pic in here, I can show you the smallest unimog.
Now a price question: What does the word UNIMOG means?
Germanicus
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bajapablo
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unimog
THe BLM district has converted one to a firefighting machine. It has a water tank and big nozzle on it and seems to go anywhere. I have seen it and
it looks impressive.
\"changes it lattitudes, changes in attitudes\"
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jrbaja
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And there's a Pinz
in use in Santiago as well as countless unimogs and other strange "craft" I see rollin around down here. Only one kind stays clean though.
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