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motoged
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And if you ask a rancher for firewood, PAY for it....you would back home
If they refuse payment, insist on it "Por los ninos"....
Just sayin'....
Don't believe everything you think....
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Skipjack Joe
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We've also used torote but it's nowhere near as good as mesquite.
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DanO
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by torch
I have been turned around at the border for firewood. That was a pain in the as* and we had all kinds of fruits , eggs, chicken etc.. lucky the US
officer was cool about this. This turn around added about 2 hrs to our trip. |
Not sure which direction you are speaking about, but I can tell you that you cannot bring unused firewood back north into the U.S..
I had one of those store bought bundles of fire wood wrapped with the lable, and customs in Tecate USA took it from the back of my truck and tossed it
along with a others piled up... about 3-4 years ago. |
I think he means that they refused to let him into Mexico with the U.S. firewood. I brought some firewood down earlier this year and got a stern
talking to by the Mexican border officer about how it is not allowed, but my stupid act got me through. I usually buy it down there from a couple of
reliable sources. Or. from time to time when out bushwhacking (my chainsaw spends a good deal of time in the back of my truck) I'll stumble on some
deadfall that needs to be cut up and put to good use. I'm pretty sure a ten foot sycamore branch isn't going to regenerate itself.
\"Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.\" -- Frank Zappa
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Barry A.
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Things must have changed----------I take firewood on my roof rack every trip I have EVER made to Baja, and I always bring what I don't use back across
the border.
Never a problem.
I never collect local wood as the locals need it really badly.
Barry
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sanquintinsince73
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| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
And if you ask a rancher for firewood, PAY for it....you would back home
If they refuse payment, insist on it "Por los ninos"....
Just sayin'.... |
Exactly. That's what we always do and if they still refuse I always hand over a few beers from my very well-supplied ice chest's.
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bajatravelergeorge
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There seems to be a new law, or enforcement of an old law, about bringing used wood into Baja. I was turned back to the US because I had a few used
railroad ties in the bed of my pickup. I could have brought them in if I went through an importer and had the wood fumigated first.
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toneart
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I am not sure about bringing firewood into Mexico. You absolutely cannot bring Mexican firewood into the U.S. The fact that some have been turned away
or lectured leads me to believe that you are not supposed to bring it into Mexico. You know how inconsistent all Mexican agencies are in enforcing
their laws, or even being aware of them.
As far as gathering, Mesquite gathering is OK, but it is usually on somebody's land. Ask and pay. It is against the law for a gringo to collect Cardon
Cactus wood, even dead wood on the ground.
In Mulege, I have a fireplace inside and outside the house. It gets cold overnight and early mornings during the winter. Firewood really helps. I pay
a guy named Marcelo (for those who know him) to bring me wood. Marcelo is a cowboy, ranch hand and also conducts horseback rides. His 10 yr. old son
also helps. They bring Mesquite and also cardon for kindling. A pickup load of Mesquite costs around 350-400 pesos.
Picture of my casita from back, showing fireplace.
Picture didn't post. I will work on it.
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[Edited on 12-7-2010 by toneart]
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MrBillM
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Very OLD Law
BUT, like "most" such laws in Mexico, enforcement is arbitrary.
Interestingly, the reason for the arbitrary enforcement hasn't seemed to ever be (at least in my case) to collect Mordida. The times I've been
chastised and sent on my way no money was involved. Since the wood involved hasn't much value, attempting to collect mordida isn't too likely to be
successful.
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socalrat
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
| Quote: | Originally posted by socalrat
Assuming we don't eat in town, we cook over the fire just about every night. Is it possible to gather 'wood' (or would it be Mesquite?) west of town
(or maybe someplace else?). Any warnings or tips?
thanks in advance!
gb3 |
Wood? What's that?!!
You wont find it. It wont happen.
You can buy bundles of wood in town. Not hard to find. A bit pricey. Take charcoal. You can buy that too in SF.
If you get absolutely desperate............
U2 me and I will either let you get some wood from my house at Campos Ocotillo or I will map out our rancho land west of Sf ...you can go there and
collect some.
***I think****bringing in wood to Mexico is not allowed.
You should just make a master list of all your questions and post it on one post. They all will get answered.
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Thanks for all the help! I actually chose to post individual questions so I didn't get thread drift all over the place; some topics answered, others
still open questions. And then there is the inevitable brain-fade as I get older - didn't think about some questions until later.
I dragged a whole load of firewood into Mexico the first trip to SF a few years ago. Was hoping to avoid that this time around. While camping a
gentleman who was down for the week looking after his home under construction went out for the day and came back with a pick up full of....something
that he burned for campfires for the rest of our stay. Said it was "just out to the east - you can't miss it".
Charcoal is probably a good solution for cooking, but not nearly as 'merry' as a real fire. I will need some sort of local solution as I really don't
want to haul all that wood again.
Thank again!
gb3
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socalrat
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| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
I am not sure about bringing firewood into Mexico. You absolutely cannot bring Mexican firewood into the U.S. The fact that some have been turned away
or lectured leads me to believe that you are not supposed to bring it into Mexico. You know how inconsistent all Mexican agencies are in enforcing
their laws, or even being aware of them.
As far as gathering, Mesquite gathering is OK, but it is usually on somebody's land. Ask and pay. It is against the law for a gringo to collect Cardon
Cactus wood, even dead wood on the ground.
In Mulege, I have a fireplace inside and outside the house. It gets cold overnight and early mornings during the winter. Firewood really helps. I pay
a guy named Marcelo (for those who know him) to bring me wood. Marcelo is a cowboy, ranch hand and also conducts horseback rides. His 10 yr. old son
also helps. They bring Mesquite and also cardon for kindling. A pickup load of Mesquite costs around 350-400 pesos.
Picture of my casita from back, showing fireplace.
Picture didn't post. I will work on it.
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Would certainly consider paying a local 300 pesos for a load of locally collected firewood. That actually makes sense in a bunch of ways; cheaper
than bundles, I'm assuming they have the okay to gather it up, and money into the local economy, instead of my firewood guy here in Los Angeles.
Any tips on someone local who might be interested in making a few pesos?
gb3
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socalrat
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
And if you ask a rancher for firewood, PAY for it....you would back home
If they refuse payment, insist on it "Por los ninos"....
Just sayin'.... |
Exactly. That's what we always do and if they still refuse I always hand over a few beers from my very well-supplied ice chest's.
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Sage advice....what's the 'going rate"? Is 125 pesos to load the rack on the top of my FJ reasonable?
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socalrat
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
If you can get your hands on some Manzanita wood, go for it. Just ask the ranchers they may give you some. I always use it for outside cooking and
grilling.
Manzanita firewood burns long and very hot. Manzanita is a shrub or small tree in the Western US that typically only reaches a height of 6' tall.
Pieces will typically be small and usually crooked but this dense hardwood will put out a lot of heat so use it with caution, I have seen stoves glow
red from loading it up with too much of this wood. In a stove it’s best to build small fires or mix it with other species of wood.
Manzanita firewood will produce a nice bed of coals that will radiate intense heat. Be careful if you stir the coals because they can crackle and
throw glowing hot cinders when disturbed. It’s an intense firewood species but when used with caution can make excellent firewood. Manzanita also
produces a good flavor for smoking foods or BBQ.
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What time is dinner 
I concur with you on this. It's the best next to using Sugar Pine wood .
While collecting firewood....just make real sure that you aint on private property! Some poor folks rely on this wood for their home cooking and
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That's the second quote about the locals needing the wood as well. I really don't want to to appropriate what's not mine to collect, not deprive
someone who needs it, just so I can have a campfire. And since I don't speak Spanish and wouldn't know where to find the ranchers to ask them even if
I did,
I think I need to find someone who knows someone who can provide service locally.
gb3
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socalrat
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
| Quote: | Originally posted by burnrope
Nowdays, I get my wood from the pharmicia. |
Hun?  |
Viagra / Cialis
Not the same kinda 'wood'
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halcyondays
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Here is the most random answer you will get from this question.
1. Get a large bucket, rubbermaid container, or better yet a barrel.
Start dumping all your NON COLOR and NON SHINY waste paper into it.
Shred it as small as you can. Just rip it up.
When the barrel or container is 3/4 full---fill the rest with water.
Let it soak for a couple of days.
Keep it wet and soaked until all the paper breaks down.
Take the messy slop in chunks and put it in some sort of order.....I just make snowball size balls out of it and lay them out all over our deck on a
sunny day.
Let the sun bake it all together.
WA LA
You have little powerful baking bricks.....for your fireplace etc.
I treat all our NON COLOR junk mail paper this way.
Works great.
You are essentially just turning a wood product back into a block of wood via WATER.
Sorta weird....but it really does work good!
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bajaguy
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Just buy a case or two of Presto Logs......compressed sawdust. Will burn for a couple of hours each, less mess
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sanquintinsince73
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| Quote: | Originally posted by socalrat
| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
And if you ask a rancher for firewood, PAY for it....you would back home
If they refuse payment, insist on it "Por los ninos"....
Just sayin'.... |
Exactly. That's what we always do and if they still refuse I always hand over a few beers from my very well-supplied ice chest's.
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Sage advice....what's the 'going rate"? Is 125 pesos to load the rack on the top of my FJ reasonable? |
There really is no going rate, just ask "cuanto le debo"? Last month I stayed at Palapas Alvino just south of San Quintin. Really nice place with warm
showers and flush toilets. I had never met the owner before and I guess he kinda liked me. He refused to charge me for the four days that we stayed
there, he refused to charge me for the mountain of firewood that I used (he even supplied me with a wheel barrow), and he turned us on to some
beautiful halibut filets and lobsters. Play it by ear, be nice and respectful, and if after you ask "cuanto le debo"? they refuse payment, leave a
little something and offer a heartfelt "gracias" with a handshake.
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Pompano
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One gift from Jimena - firewood on all the beaches
A photo I took of storm debris on Playa Santispac in mid-Sept, 2009...post Hurricane Jimena. About the only good thing that storm did for us.
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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mcfez
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| Quote: | Originally posted by halcyondays
Here is the most random answer you will get from this question.
1. Get a large bucket, rubbermaid container, or better yet a barrel.
Start dumping all your NON COLOR and NON SHINY waste paper into it.
Shred it as small as you can. Just rip it up.
When the barrel or container is 3/4 full---fill the rest with water.
Let it soak for a couple of days.
Keep it wet and soaked until all the paper breaks down.
Take the messy slop in chunks and put it in some sort of order.....I just make snowball size balls out of it and lay them out all over our deck on a
sunny day.
Let the sun bake it all together.
WA LA
You have little powerful baking bricks.....for your fireplace etc.
I treat all our NON COLOR junk mail paper this way.
Works great.
You are essentially just turning a wood product back into a block of wood via WATER.
Sorta weird....but it really does work good! |
No! No way! Being the type of guy I am to try new ideas.....I be testing this idea of yours this weekend. Fantastic concept dude!
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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AmoPescar
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I've never had any problem at the border when bringing firewood south. I always had them in plain sight on my open trailer. They never said one word
while examining the trailer.
I used to bring down several boxes of 2X4 and 2X6 scrap pieces for fires. I got them from a local roof truss manufacturer who put the scraps in a bin
out front. And FYI...Milk crates make sturdy carriers for firewood.
Miguelamo  
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Skipjack Joe
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Driftwood makes great firewood.
The USPS in Alaska would cut up dead alders into nice piles for the campers. But when it came time to start a fire you marched right past all that
stacked wood to the lakeside beach and collected a couple of armloads. Instant fire. No blowing, fanning, and choking on smoke. Just one match (and
t.p.of course).
I know, I know. You want info about wood at San Felipe. Well, since we're talking about transporting wood across the border I thought I would throw a
couple of logs in.
Which reminds me of the weary hitchhiker - "How far is the Old Log Inn?"
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