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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
what is the basic difference between the two that permits such wide-spread overt corruption here in Mexico, and tends to suppress it in the U.S.?
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Mexico still has an imbedded sense of impunity and accepts power corruption as a way of life. That's the way I see it.
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mcfez
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Hammer? Tonka Toy hammer perhaps. No offense.
All around us there is violence. Has been since the days I was growing up in L.A. Just using the best travel cautions can make your stay in Mexico a
good experience. We never stay in cities that have mega issues. We dont cruise out late at night. Never wear Rolex's (we have JCP's! watches) and
Fancie attire. Just blending in with the crowd will do wonders.
I refused NOT to go to Mexico. I love that place.
Look in our own back yard...
Approximately 1 million gang members belonging to more than 20,000 gangs.
Hammer after hammer....these folks are still here. The murder rates with them are nothing to compare with the Mexican state...we are not waging a war
with our gang members.
Just a point that no matter what happens to the cartels in Mexico....the bad guys will remain always (?).
I am not making a statement here BTW...just supplying some facts to this post.
Info from:
http://www.justice.gov/ndic/pubs32/32146/index.htm
[Edited on 12-27-2010 by mcfez]
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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I'll stay clear of the political back-and-forth here, but I do agree heartily with Woody's initial assessment:
| Quote: | Originally posted by woody with a view
lack of surf this winter has hampered my tourism..... |
Until these drug lords can find a way to consistently funnel large NW groundswells into the Baja Peninsula, tourism will continue to falter. Though,
I am fairly certain the drug wars have had little to no notable effect on the catching and eating of fish.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
The simple fact is that under the current legal system, the tax payers spend millions of dollars to run these cases through the system for decades.
Given that, and the fact that we have executed innocent people, it just seems to me that a victory would be gained if we just eliminated the death
penalty and had these bastards incarcerated in the conditions they deserved. There are studies that show this actually saves money. And, it certainly
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The problem with this is they can run their businessess quite successfully from prison.
I'm with Dennis.
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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For decades drivers loathed the idea of having to reach into their billfold and extract a wad of pesos to placade an irate transito for doing 100 in a
60 kph zone.
Now that the PFP is "honest" and drivers must go through the system and be processed for the same violation, Mexican drivers curse the new system and
bemoan the fact that they miss "the good old days".
Education starts in kindergarten. And I am not going to finger Mexicans as being the ones that need education in ethics. We can start here on this
side of the border by teaching children that their knothead parents who use drugs from Mexico fund the death of men women and children, and that US
society as a whole ignores this brutal fact. We can teach our children that morals dictate you do not brutalize a company or financial institution to
milk it of every last cent, at the expensive of hundreds of millions of fellow citizens. We can expose the imbecilic laxness of firearms laws that
allows criminal elements to purchase many assault rifles in a single purchase with no paper trail at all. It's a huge difference to have the ability
to purchase a single assault rifle freely, as compared to a freaking arsenal. Assault rifles fall into a special category as far as I am concerned,
and purchasers should not be hesitant to have a requirement put upon them to supply picture I.D. and a full set of fingerprints, that goes into a
national database. I wouldn't flinch one bit to have to do this.
People that rail against the above are screwing up MY Mexico, and they could care less.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DavidE
People that rail against the above are screwing up MY Mexico, and they could care less. |
Another atrocity I recently saw on TV. It was the Nat Geo Channel in a Border Wars episode that showed a shop on the US side in Nuevo Laredo that
sold to anybody Mexico Police Agency uniforms....or reasonable facsimilies. They're bought by Mexico's scum class to be used to impersonate police in
Mexico.
We've heard so often of kidnapping and murder done by men in police uniform.
I don't get it. I know...rights are rights, but there has to be new interpretation for these new atrocities. Stores like this are just aiding and
abetting murderers and know full well their crime, but protected by our archaic Bill Of Rights.
Say what you want about the wonderful American way, but that thing has to be rewritten for a lot of reasons....
[Edited on 12-27-2010 by DENNIS]
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Dave
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A moral conundrum
Mexicans not caring that Americans are killed by drugs they supply.
VS
Americans not caring that Mexicans are killed by guns from the U.S.
I'd vote for a tie.
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Bajahowodd
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Exactly the reason something must be done. It's just plain nuts!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by DavidE
People that rail against the above are screwing up MY Mexico, and they could care less. |
Another atrocity I recently saw on TV. It was the Nat Geo Channel in a Border Wars episode that showed a shop on the US side in Nuevo Laredo that
sold to anybody Mexico Police Agency uniforms....or reasonable facsimilies. They're bought by Mexico's scum class to be used to impersonate police in
Mexico.
We've heard so often of kidnapping and murder done by men in police uniform.
I don't get it. I know...rights are rights, but there has to be new interpretation for these new atrocities. Stores like this are just aiding and
abetting murderers and know full well their crime, but protected by our archaic Bill Of Rights.
Say what you want about the wonderful American way, but that thing has to be rewritten for a lot of reasons....
[Edited on 12-27-2010 by DENNIS] |
There's a uniform shop here in Sacramento (off Arden way) that used to sell any sort of uniform and gear to anyone. I had actually gone in there back
in the late eighties to buy a County Sheriffs uniform. I walked out with everything but a hand revolver.
The uniform was for me....as my Halloween costume. I walked into my bar (Deno's Bar and No Grill) ....the place went silent. For months...it was
rumored that I was a cop :-)
Point of this....city has put a ban on the general public to able to purchase uniforms as such. I agree..it's insane to allow any Joe off the street
to buy deception.
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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Dave
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Epiphany
| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
Mexicans not caring that Americans are killed by drugs they supply.
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Americans not caring that Mexicans are killed by guns from the U.S.
I'd vote for a tie. |
Having rethought my position:
Mexicans are importing and exporting illegal products. American gun dealers are, for the most part, selling legal products legally.
Tie does not go to the runner.
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Bajahowodd
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But, just a thought. Can anyone 'splain to me why automatic assault weapons are legal? Anyone go hunting with them? perhaps if you really don't care
about bringing your catch home. Are they the ideal weapon of choice to protect your home and family? Are they the ice breaker for conversations at
parties and picnics? Guess I'm just too stupid to understand this.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Can anyone 'splain to me why automatic assault weapons are legal? |
I don't believe they are. Semi-automatic, yes. It's illegal to change a semi-auto to full, but I think you can buy directions on Amazon or Barnes
and Noble.
Kinda screwy, isn't it.
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The NRA loophole?
Just really have a hard time with the idea that in a civilized society, there are folks who actively engage in the movement to allow such weapons to
proliferate.
God knows, everyone should have the means to protect their family and property. But at some point a line ought to be drawn.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
in a civilized society, |
Where's that??
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
But, just a thought. Can anyone 'splain to me why automatic assault weapons are legal? Anyone go hunting with them? perhaps if you really don't care
about bringing your catch home. Are they the ideal weapon of choice to protect your home and family? Are they the ice breaker for conversations at
parties and picnics? Guess I'm just too stupid to understand this. |
I recall some folks who were found of hunting with them... in back in the late 70's... in California..
There had been a sizable population of Hmongs, placed in the Central Valley .... and they had never had hunting so good...
Caught them using nets on fish.. and we once found them hunting with AK-47 ... they were after deer...
They did really good.. a pile of over 75 animals.. all ages and male and female.. seems they didn't think it was a problem to go and get food.. any
place, including the City Parks ducks too... plus cats' and dog's.... just about anything that wasn't indoors...
A friend with Fish and Game.. used to let me go and see what the happening... he had done a tour in Nam.. and had a special place in his heart for
these folks.. along with some shrapnel on his left upper body ... from a hand grenade.. some folks shared with him...
They were a "special" type of "hunter".. They killed anything... using anything... automatic, shotguns.. was always waiting for claymores .....
They consider automatic's.. just another weapon... as that is just what they are... just another weapon.. as it only takes one shot, but sometimes
more than one is nice to have...
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The Constitution is fine as it is!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by DavidE
People that rail against the above are screwing up MY Mexico, and they could care less. |
Another atrocity I recently saw on TV. It was the Nat Geo Channel in a Border Wars episode that showed a shop on the US side in Nuevo Laredo that
sold to anybody Mexico Police Agency uniforms....or reasonable facsimilies. They're bought by Mexico's scum class to be used to impersonate police in
Mexico.
We've heard so often of kidnapping and murder done by men in police uniform.
I don't get it. I know...rights are rights, but there has to be new interpretation for these new atrocities. Stores like this are just aiding and
abetting murderers and know full well their crime, but protected by our archaic Bill Of Rights.
Say what you want about the wonderful American way, but that thing has to be rewritten for a lot of reasons....
[Edited on 12-27-2010 by DENNIS] |
There's a uniform shop here in Sacramento (off Arden way) that used to sell any sort of uniform and gear to anyone. I had actually gone in there back
in the late eighties to buy a County Sheriffs uniform. I walked out with everything but a hand revolver.
The uniform was for me....as my Halloween costume. I walked into my bar (Deno's Bar and No Grill) ....the place went silent. For months...it was
rumored that I was a cop :-)
Point of this....city has put a ban on the general public to able to purchase uniforms as such. I agree..it's insane to allow any Joe off the street
to buy deception. |
I bet if you go back to the old bar and dig around, you'll find where everyone hid their stash that night.
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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Some of us gun aficionados need to have a little chat with the heirarchy of the National Rifle Association. I'm afraid their little choo choo of
common sense has jumped the rails and whackos are running the zoo.
I am a staunch believer and supporter of the Second Amendment, but not for weapons that are flat-out USELESS for sport hunting. I can outshoot* any
man with any Russian made AK-47 at 300 meters using a standard target ring. A Barrett .50 caliber rifle would pulverize a lot of good meat in an elk.
If someone wants to play with weapons of this class, if they meet the I.D. and background check criteria they should be able to purchase the weapons
in single lot form from reputable gun dealers.
*With my Winchester Model 70 .270 (excellent for deer, a bit light for elk).
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Dave
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Framers' Intent
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I am a staunch believer and supporter of the Second Amendment, but not for weapons that are flat-out USELESS for sport hunting.
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Odd that a 2nd amendment supporter would associate gun ownership with the practice of hunting.
Somehow, I doubt that the method of putting food on the table would warrant constitutional protection. 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
The Constitution is fine as it is! |
I really do not think that a debate about access to assault weapons is a constitutional issue. While the fact is that historically, court decisions
basically considered the "regulated militia" language to deal with the need to have people armed to protect this country. The Roberts Court has put an
end to that issue.
Yet, there really needs to be a sane middle ground where there can be balance between law-abiding citizen's right to own and bear arms, and the almost
uncontrolled proliferation of the type of weapon that ought to be limited to battlefield use.
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