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Mulegena
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Sorry, fun is fun and the photo of the labrador retriever and the pun was humorous.
The horrible tragedy that occurred on the ballcourt is disturbing. So sad such a thing would happen, an outrage.
My condolences to the town, friends and families who have lost their loved ones.
"Raise your words, not your voice. It's rain that grows flowers, not thunder." ~Rumi
"It's the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~ Aristotle
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tripledigitken
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It's a huge Mexican Industry, right in the ole USA
"Vast amounts of pot are still smuggled into the U.S. from Mexico. Federal officials report nearly daily hauls of several hundred to several thousand
pounds seized along the border. But drug agents say the boom in domestic growing is a sign of diversification by traffickers."
Interesting read..................
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/03/01/national/main62551...
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mcfez
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by DavidE
Want to do something constructive?
Ask whoever is involved within a circle of friends or acquaintances not NOT purchase Mexican marijuana, but instead if they must smoke, choose
california or US product. |
Arn't the cartels growing in California now? Heard they were. |
Dont know DENNIS......come up here in your motor home and we both will head into Humboldt to check on that......and gather up evidence.
Seems to me the Cartels have easier places to grow pot. Belize being one area...
I believe the Mexican pot growers in California may just be smaller organized outlaw groups, on the most part.
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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Fighting the Good Fight
One Author and "Expert" this a.m. was asked if the Calderon Government was doing all they could and he answered with "Well, they Want
to be Seen as having done all they could while Failing since it's in their best economic interests to continue
receiving support from the U.S. while not actually eradicating the problem which is also to their economic interests".
Interesting Take.
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durrelllrobert
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" It is more likely US/Canadian gangs (Hells Angels, etc) are behind US/Can grows as they are the folks that do most of the distribution ."
just watched special on TV about this and a requirement to be an undercover agent for DEA in US infiltration of pot farms is speaking fluent spanish.
Nobody on any of the growing sites that were raided spoke english (or at least didn't on camera)
Bob Durrell
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
One Author and "Expert" this a.m. was asked if the Calderon Government was doing all they could and he answered with "Well, they Want
to be Seen as having done all they could while Failing since it's in their best economic interests to continue
receiving support from the U.S. while not actually eradicating the problem which is also to their economic interests".
Interesting Take. |
I wish I weren't so cynical, but I think this is sadly true, on both sides of the border. This is the economic overview at the top levels in my
opinion. It is an industry.
Oh, the dogs at the enforcement level still do their thing, but that is what they are supposed to do. And they have pretty good job security while
doing it.
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BajaGringo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by DavidE
Want to do something constructive?
Ask whoever is involved within a circle of friends or acquaintances not NOT purchase Mexican marijuana, but instead if they must smoke, choose
california or US product. |
Arn't the cartels growing in California now? Heard they were. |
Dont know DENNIS......come up here in your motor home and we both will head into Humboldt to check on that......and gather up evidence.
Seems to me the Cartels have easier places to grow pot. Belize being one area...
I believe the Mexican pot growers in California may just be smaller organized outlaw groups, on the most part. |
My son-in-law works in law enforcement, his main job to locate and destroy the marijuana crops growing in home basements and throughout many of our
national forests. In spite of adding more and more resources to the effort, it is one they simply cannot keep up with.
They used to be able to just monitor electric bills to ¨weed out¨ the home growers but solar has now made that much more difficult.
The guys growing in the forests probably started out as splinter/outlaw groups but are quickly becoming much more organized.
I say just legalize it and let the potheads do what they will find a way to do anyway. Tax it and maybe save a few more from dying in this non
winnable war.
But what do I know...
[Edited on 1-25-2011 by BajaGringo]
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toneart
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Personally, I haven't smoked it in years...decades. That is not a moralistic stand against pot per se. I have never smoked cigarettes and I don't like
ingesting any kind of smoke into my lungs.
I am a creative person and can invoke the muses without pot, although a brownie now and then doesn't hurt. I released the restraints that bound my
brain years ago and allowed myself to engage in Bacchanalian dance levitations with my muses, and maidens of the flesh as well.   I suspect my brain cells have been rearranged according to Quantum Cellular Biology Theory. I know one thing...it doesn't hurt.  
To address the morals issue, YES, there is reason, in light of this terrible Mexican Cartel violence, to boycott it if you know or suspect that it
comes from Mexico.
But don't pass judgment on those who have a legitimate reason to buy pot from a legal medical dispensary. It is their business to know their sources.
If their doctor deems it necessary, I see no reason for the patient to be deprived of it. It has been proven to relieve pain.
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To expand on what Tony said, I have witnessed two close friends encounters with medical marijuana. One, a male veteran of Iraq with PTSD, and the
other, a female victim of repeated sexual abuse. Both of these folks spent years working with shrinks and therapists, while taking a panoply of
prescription psychotropic drugs. Then, along came medical marijuana. In both cases, these folks were both able to wean themselves off a number of high
potency Rx drugs, but also seem much better adjusted in their day to day life.
I'm no health care professional, but I know what I've seen. And I don't do pot.
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Just a humbly submitted opinion from a Paramedic that has dealt with more death, dyeing and sickness than any human should be exposed to: If it is a
medicine, let the FDA treat it like a drug, if it is dope, let law enforcement treat it like it is dope. JH
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
In both cases, these folks were both able to wean themselves off a number of high potency Rx drugs, but also seem much better adjusted in their day to
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Aww....c'mon, Howard. Marijuana doesn't adjust anybody to everyday life. It gets people stoned. That's the idea of the stuff.
Here....refresh your memory:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2FZgErvNTE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
"Vast amounts of pot are still smuggled into the U.S. from Mexico. Federal officials report nearly daily hauls of several hundred to several thousand
pounds seized along the border. But drug agents say the boom in domestic growing is a sign of diversification by traffickers."
Interesting read..................
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/03/01/national/main62551... |
If govt is going to allow pot use through lax enforcement against users, might as well legalize the whole process here in US
As it stands now, govt condones pot use through lax enforcement againnst users, and has obsolete laws that allow the biz to flourish untaxed with
largest profits reaped outside the country.
The GOP should wake up and realize that if they legalized pot and pot cultivation, the domestic economy in growing areas would boom, and legal
transactions would be new taxable transactions.
Legalizing pot in US would lead to a business boom, of similar scale as Al Gore's invention of the internet!
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Bajahowodd
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
In both cases, these folks were both able to wean themselves off a number of high potency Rx drugs, but also seem much better adjusted in their day to
day life.
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Aww....c'mon, Howard. Marijuana doesn't adjust anybody to everyday life. It gets people stoned. That's the idea of the stuff.
Here....refresh your memory:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2FZgErvNTE |
Dennis- How did I know it was gonna be Reefer Madness even before I clicked on the link?
Stoned? Tell it to someone who was going out of their mind unable to sleep at night without an Ambien and a fistfull of Benadryl. Couple of tokes and
night night!
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tripledigitken
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can't resist posting this
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
In both cases, these folks were both able to wean themselves off a number of high potency Rx drugs, but also seem much better adjusted in their day to
day life.
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Aww....c'mon, Howard. Marijuana doesn't adjust anybody to everyday life. It gets people stoned. That's the idea of the stuff.
Here....refresh your memory:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2FZgErvNTE |
Dave's not here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6wV7rAKMNE
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Woooosh
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I'm not a doctor, but I think medical pot is fine and a better alternative to some dangerous and addictive Rx drugs. Whatever works for those people
suffering and in pain- only they know what works for them. What I don't like about medical pot is the high price charged to those who most need it.
I'm not talking about the stoners with a sore knee buying high-grade strains, I'm talking the poor and disabled who need it. The dispensaries will
gladly wipe out a disabled person's monthly SS check or debit card on $20/gram+ pot. Most in that income class have gone back to buying pot on the
street because it's cheaper. That defeats the whole purpose of the dispensaries. It's not supposed to be a for-profit business- it is supposed to be
a legal distubution center. jmho
[Edited on 1-25-2011 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Stoned? Tell it to someone who was going out of their mind unable to sleep at night without an Ambien and a fistfull of Benadryl. Couple of tokes and
night night! |
People are different. They react to medications in a different way. Especially psych meds. I know. I've been prescribed more brands of crap than
would fit on a single shelf in a Thrifty's pharmacy.
Please don't try to convince me that a few tokes on a bong would have solved my problems.
Being Bi-Polar is only one of my problems. When cycled to the low side, the thought of suicide is so inviting that I consider it a reward, but I
medicate away from the urge. I also rely on my fears of the unknown to keep me on the right side of the dirt.
Had I known, only a toke or two.........
When my mind spins to the high side, all hell breaks loose and it ain't all bad. On one memorable occasion, I flew from San Diego to Chicago only
because that's the only place a plane was going at the moment. First class as well. Kind of fried my American Airlines card.
Anyway, I came to my senses when I crawled up out of a subway tunnel in the middle of Chigago's Harlem. Man...I was most certainly lost.
Immediatly went back to the airport, flew back and had plenty of time to spend the afternoon in TJ where I lost my shoes while I was having my feet
shined.
Drove back up home to Capistrano Beach where I collapsed on the couch for a couple of days.
I guess I could have avoided that trip had I just smoked one joint. I didn't know. Nobody told me.
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Let's re-title this thread "The most naive explanations ever thought of for drug trade violence".
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
It's not supposed to be a for-profit business- it is supposed to be a legal distubution center. jmho
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Who's going to operate a business for nothing? That kind of reasoning will suggest to some that the government should do it and you know their
rendition of "for nothing."
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
It's not supposed to be a for-profit business- it is supposed to be a legal distubution center. jmho
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Who's going to operate a business for nothing? That kind of reasoning will suggest to some that the government should do it and you know their
rendition of "for nothing." |
Isn't the CA law is written that dispensaries are not for profit? The state of Colorado grows all the pot for their dispensaries in secret
warehouses. Then they put cameras in the dispensaries to keep them honest. The state runs a "casino-type" surveillance hub that oversees all the
activities in the dispensaries. And the state of CO still makes money.
The cartels use drugs to make money because that's what is easiest right now. In the 1920's the Mafia used alcohol to make money during prohibition-
because that's where the easy money was at the time. After prohibition ended the Mafia retooled itself and made it's money on racketeering, extortion
and kidnapping. If you think legalizing drugs will stop the cartels and violence you are wrong. They will will just do what the mafia did and we'll
see corruption, extortions and kidnappings increase. They aren't going away because it's all they know how to do. Depressing huh?
[Edited on 1-25-2011 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
It's not supposed to be a for-profit business- it is supposed to be a legal distubution center. jmho
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Who's going to operate a business for nothing? That kind of reasoning will suggest to some that the government should do it and you know their
rendition of "for nothing." |
Let's pretend here.............
The government legalizes it. Then come taxes, right?
Please someone tell me why the cartels would stop sending in cheaper pot sold on the underground to undercut the legal variety?????????????
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