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mtgoat666
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Group leaders of trips like this do take on some responsibility for group safety. Ya, people did not pay for a tour, but some participants probably
came with an expectation that someone was leading the group. If that was not the case, the trip organizer(s) should have put disclaimers in their
emails and nomad posts saying that the trip was "dog eat dog everybody for themselves."
When I am in wilderness with group of mixed abilities/knowledge (or any group), I always make sure people in group know what to do if they get
separated from group. I would not participate in any group that did not have basic safety in mind.
Glad nobody died. Sounds like the military saved the day. Perhaps we can ship those boys to stanland to find that OBL that our GIs can't find!
Sounds like Tim needs a wilderness navigation lesson!
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racheldarlin
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David
I agree. I rarely travel with those I don't know. With your maps etc. you would be the designated navigator Although there would be a second to keep you
honest. If I travel with someone I don't know I will politely find out his/her strengths/weaknesses. In Baja, if they didn't have water I would make
sure they did before we left base.
Barry
At the end of every trip, I think a informal debriefing/critique should take place over beers. What did we need that we didn't have? Who was the weak
link and how could he/she be made stronger or better equipped? Blah, blah. And there is a difference between a drill sergeant and a leader. As a
Ranger or just a buddy you would be the latter.
Lou
I knew I would catch heat for my replies and I am not trying to hurt your feelings. You got the guy home and kudos to all for that. I just saw glaring
errors that should be noted for next year.
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David K
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Maybe see how the President's Day event got started, and see it is only a fun and casual run... originally to Shell Island on Saturday and Matomi
Canyon on Sunday... the only hiking was short distances not far from our 4x4s...
2001: http://vivabaja.com/shell and http://vivabaja.com/matomi
2004: http://vivabaja.com/204
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BajaRob
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You two Genius Monday Morning Quarterbacks just don't get it. We don't do the "Trailboss" thingy here. We all take responsibility for ourselves and
all the others.
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racheldarlin
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Rob
Again
You did a great job in saving the guy.
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Barry A.
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If the truth be known, it sounds to me like Rachael and the Goat really do need somebody to take care of them-------and that is fine, but I think it
is THEIR responsibility to let the other folks in any group with them know about how potentially helpless they could be------these folks could sue
you-------lordy, the nanny-state mentality makes me shudder--------what have some of us become????????? 
Barry
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BajaRob
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Barry
Thank you and you will be most welcome on any future trips.
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racheldarlin
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OOOOOh
I hurt some feelings
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BajaRob
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You did not hurt my feelings. I was there and I know what we did. It's what we always do. We watch out for and take care of our trailmates. It's just
frustrating when wannabes who wern't there want to pass judgement. I'm done
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by racheldarlin
OOOOOh
I hurt some feelings |
Rachael-------No, that could not be further from the truth. What you said does not "hurt our feelings", it is just amazing to some of us when taken
in context. But I assume you are sincere.
I'm done too.
I love that whole area below the Sierra San Pedro Martir, and it's magnificant canyons-------BIG country!!! Easy to get micro-lost in, and have been
many times------that is part of it's charm.
Barry
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I THOUGHT I was just asking a simple question while waiting for more photos/trip details to come in. 
Wonder where this is headed now......
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David K
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Jim, I think it is done... 
All's well that ends well...
I am only sorry that I wasn't able to be there this year... that way goat and others could blame me for someone walking off (I am used to it here on
Nomad)!
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racheldarlin
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Jim
I learned early on you cannot say good morning in this forum without starting an argument.
Done
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by racheldarlin
Jim
I learned early on you cannot say good morning in this forum without starting an argument.
Done |
------and just WHAT do you mean by THAT???????
(Now done, fini, end-----out of here)
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racheldarlin
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Touche
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BajaWarrior
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This thread is already ruined by a few that we're not even there so how can they judge? An unfortunate event happened that was very serious to those
of us who attended and we dealt with it in every positive way. This thread is to share our experiences this past weekend and not up to debate so get
the HEdoublehockeysticks off.
Pictures and story to follow...
Sample: Heading out to our destination in Diablo Canyon
Haven't had a bad trip yet....
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
If the truth be known, it sounds to me like Rachael and the Goat really do need somebody to take care of them
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ma ma?
ma ma!?
MA MA !
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaWarrior
This thread is already ruined by a few that we're not even there so how can they judge? An unfortunate event happened that was very serious to those
of us who attended and we dealt with it in every positive way. This thread is to share our experiences this past weekend and not up to debate so get
the HEdoublehockeysticks off.
Pictures and story to follow...
Sample: Heading out to our destination in Diablo Canyon
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Chuck, right below where you click to uplaod photos onto Photobucket, can you click this:
Customize your upload options
and select at least one size bigger photo?
All these will fit on Nomad without stretching the screen, 640x480 is the friendliest I think... They do NOT need to be below 50 kbs when coming from
Photobucket. The photo above is only 221 pixels wide.
100x75
160x120
320x240
640x480
800x600
[Edited on 2-23-2011 by David K]
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bajalou
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Some of the gang at our first stop.
Clouds obscuring Diablo and other mountains from our second stop.
As you can see, this is not a secret place up winding obscure trails, It's typical baja dirt roads all the way. In fact the canyon is visited by 100+
people every month of the year, year in and year out.
No Bad Days
\"Never argue with an idiot. People watching may not be able to tell the difference\"
\"The trouble with doing nothing is - how do I know when I\'m done?\"
Nomad Baja Interactive map
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BajaWarrior
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DK,
That was only a cell phone shot, the rest are on my wife's camera which her son Geoff took over 200 photos, pretty much got everything and everyone.
Haven't had a bad trip yet....
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