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The 13 members of one family, who were engaged in drug sales in the municipality of Ensenada, were arrested and released today by the State
Preventative Police (PEP). 02/26/2001 Ensenada
http://www.frontera.info/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/Policiaca/2602...
Why do we try so hard when Mexico still does the catch, photo-op and release:
[Edited on 2-26-2011 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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they have cure for that! where are all of the women who were participants?
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and i'm sorry i'm late on this but yes, dennis....why has it taken an act like this to finally persuade the u.s. to take action against these
guys?....what was holding them up before now?...what the f?...it just peees me off so much i can't spit...all of a sudden we have this crackdown
because one of our own is killed???...come on people?...how can we tolerate this kind of crap?
dyslexia is never having to say you\'re yrros.
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As someone who does this every day, I can tell you that you carry more than one case at a time. You do not have an unlimited number of personnel for
search warrants and raids. It takes planning and coordination. When you have multiple cases pending you go with what is the most time sensitive at the
moment , in other words are they going to be holding, are they out, money, is the search warrant fresh (10 day rule). In other words if you have 12
agents on your team, each probably has two to three search warrants pending. But you still only have twelvce agents to serve them. It takes a lot of
time to plan, execute, search, collect, book, process, and oh yes write the reports. NOW, if the boss says clear your decks we are going to take on
the cartel people we have been watching for the last month, and put everything else on the back burner, so be it! Yes we stick by our own. I have
never had a citizen come to my assistance when I needed help, they stop and watch, but I have had off duty cops and firemen stop and help.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by 3464james
Yes we stick by our own. I have never had a citizen come to my assistance when I needed help, they stop and watch, but I have had off duty cops and
firemen stop and help. |
Man...this is confusing. For some strange reason, I thought WE were your own.
What type of occurance would you be referring to when Joe Citizen doesn't come to your aid? Would it be something that involves a gun?
We don't have those things, remember? You don't want us to have them, so we don't.
From your attitude, I see a wider division between LE and the public. That's too bad. Unfortunatly, you occupy a position, one you voluntered for,
which we depend on for safety. Let us know what we can do to be more deserving of your services.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by 3464james
Yes we stick by our own. I have never had a citizen come to my assistance when I needed help, they stop and watch, but I have had off duty cops and
firemen stop and help. |
Man...this is confusing. For some strange reason, I thought WE were your own.
What type of occurance would you be referring to when Joe Citizen doesn't come to your aid? Would it be something that involves a gun?
We don't have those things, remember? You don't want us to have them, so we don't.
From your attitude, I see a wider division between LE and the public. That's too bad. Unfortunatly, you occupy a position, one you voluntered for,
which we depend on for safety. Let us know what we can do to be more deserving of your services. |
For one thing, Dennis, we do get our dander up when we are called "despicable" when we do our job. Don't do that. (and you didn't, I know)
I too have NEVER been assisted by "Joe Public" when even in a scuffle with a drunk, no guns involved--------it's not a "divide" per se, it is just
the way it is, and we accept it (sorta)------but please don't call us "despicable"!!!!
I agree with the comment by the active LE person totally----again, it is the way it is.
Barry
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
I too have NEVER been assisted by "Joe Public" when even in a scuffle with a drunk, no guns involved------- |
In most cases, if a person interfered with an arresting officer, he would himself be arrested for that interference. He might even receive mortal
wounds from any one of the weapons the officer carries.
We don't look for these occurances while out in public, Barry. We assume that an officer with his baton, pepper spray, Tazer and service pistol has
the situation under control.
And, to imply that a citizen, while watching a police officer being overtaken, wouldn't come to his assistance is just plain wrong.
Furthermore, to openly agree with your colleague who says the same, is to give a more clear picture of the disdain for which LE holds the people in
their care.
You are Law Enforcment...we are Them.
I'm at a loss for words here, Barry.
| Quote: | | -it's not a "divide" per se, it is just the way it is, and we accept it (sorta)------ |
I honestly don't have a clue as to what that means.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
In most cases, if a person interfered with an arresting officer, he would himself be arrested for that interference. He might even receive mortal
wounds from any one of the weapons the officer carries.
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I have close family in LE including one who was involved in the recent raids. It is a very different world in which they live/work and I suppose that
a lot of that has to do with how the nature of crime/criminals have changed over the last several decades. It has become much, much more intense.
Years ago it was considered a very rare event that a LE officer unholster their gun. Today it is a rare event when you can find one who hasn´t.
That having been said, I do have to agree with Dennis on this particular point. Probably about ten years or so ago I was coming out of the gym and saw
an officer on the ground in the parking lot, beneath a much larger opponent. It appeared to be a traffic stop that had gone badly out of control. I
ran over and started to pull the guy off the officer and seconds later found myself on the ground, with the forearm of an off-duty officer across my
neck. Even after the dust settled and the facts straightened out I never got so much as a simple thank you.
I really lost my appetite to "help" much after that...
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Dennis--------Your post is a tiny example of what I am trying to convey------your use of the word "distain"-------I certainly don't "distain" the
public for who we work for, but I don't realistically expect much help from them either, from my personal experience----that is not "distain", in my
book, just that I accept it as fact. As I have said many times on this board, LE cannot really do it's job without the Public's active support and
help-----it is just not feasible, IMO. Police do the technical stuff in dealing with law breakers, as our Justice System is very complex, and
governed by many rules and laws of evidence that the Public normally cannot be expected to know, and actually are not held to the standard of "rules"
knowledge that cops are. But we need public help, always.
Like everybody, cops make mistakes, and there are rogues, but to brand the entire agency as "despicable" is way beyond the pale, IMO, and shows little
understanding, and that is what I was commenting on, tho I guess I went astray.
The more general attitudes of both cops and the public is way beyond the scope of what I was trying to convey-------and it is probably my fault that
this thread may have gone astray in that direction. But to sum it up, in my experience cops and most of the public-in-general view our LE functions
differently-----like left wingers and right wingers, we look at things thru different colored glasses, and some of that is not resolvable,
apparently!?!?!?.
Personally I went into LE ("volunteered") for the following reasons in order of importance: OUTDOOR WORK, exciting, interesting, always different
every day, doing noble work for the public good, reasonable pay, and I thought I was "good at it" and my bosses did too. Very rewarding career, in
short.
Again, I certainly don't dislike the public, or have "distain" for them, but I always hope that the feeling is mutual, and sometimes I hear comments
(despicable & distain come to mind) that really disappoint me, and make me wonder. I do hate exageration, but some on this thread have indicated
that what they say is NOT exageration----they really believe it-------very disturbing, to me anyway, and I feel I must comment in rebuttal.
By the way, I am totally in favor of the public being armed (2nd amendment) and always have been, with the exception of convicted felons who used guns
in their crimes. I believe that an armed & trained populace is the best deterent to crime in general, and saving freedom in particular. And NO,
at age 73 I will not become engaged in that argument as my mind is made up already. 
Barry
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
I certainly don't "disdain" the public for who we work for, but I don't realistically expect much help from them either,
But we need public help, always. |
And, you get it from me, Barry. My efforts to live a law-abiding life, free of crime, is my method of cooperating with LE.
Again, for the viewing public, I didn't use that word here. Had I thought it would have illustrated a point I was trying to make, I would have used
it, but I didn't.
"Disdain"....I did use. It's what I felt when reading the original post by 3464james. I reread the post and the feeling's still there. I don't
expect any hardened cop to understand what I feel. Their job has morphed them into someone with different sensitivities.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by 3464james
As someone who does this every day, I can tell you that you carry more than one case at a time. You do not have an unlimited number of personnel for
search warrants and raids. It takes planning and coordination. When you have multiple cases pending you go with what is the most time sensitive at the
moment , in other words are they going to be holding, are they out, money, is the search warrant fresh (10 day rule). In other words if you have 12
agents on your team, each probably has two to three search warrants pending. But you still only have twelvce agents to serve them. It takes a lot of
time to plan, execute, search, collect, book, process, and oh yes write the reports. NOW, if the boss says clear your decks we are going to take on
the cartel people we have been watching for the last month, and put everything else on the back burner, so be it! Yes we stick by our own. I have
never had a citizen come to my assistance when I needed help, they stop and watch, but I have had off duty cops and firemen stop and help.
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What Agency works with 12 Agents on a team that is conducting 2 or 3 search warrants at a time?
Are you a poser? No offense if your not it's just we get a lot of trolls around here, many of which sit in front of their televisions all day watching
cop shows and listening to the comercials about medical assistant schools while they run to and from the fridge and can.
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Ohhhh Jeeeeezo.....
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
I don't expect any hardened cop to understand what I feel. Their job has morphed them into someone with different sensitivities.
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"Morphed"???? I started my LE career in 1959 on the streets of San Diego-----My interpretation of the situation was roughly the same then, as now,
with a few refinements, I suppose. The big difference now is that there is vastly more communication, and we are learning things about attitudes
that we simply did not realize "back then". If anything, we in the LE community are a lot more understanding now, than back then----of EVERYTHING
----------another "reality"--------and reality is sometimes sooooo shocking.
I think that along with reality and knowledge, and because of it, we need vastly more tolerance, from all sides.
Any of this make any sense?
Barry
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My only comment for this thread, is, "God Bless those that dedicate their lives in the pursuit of employment and risk themselves so that 'I' can have
a reasonable chance of living my life without consequences. It's one of those, I wouldn't do it kinds of jobs, but thankful to those that do ! ! !!
And would be the first to "jump in" should I see a situation where a LE person was in trouble.
Reminds of a time years ago when a friend & my wife were just entering a restaraunt in Eugene Oregon when a fellow ran out hell bent for an
election, with a paper bag in his hand. Our friend took off in a dead run, jumped on him. Flattened him, and then couple guys in the parking lot,
joined in to keep him down. The Wild Plumb got their money back. LE got a 'robber' off the streets with 'citizen' help. All before LE had even been
alerted. Wife & I coward inside the rest room until the all clear was sounded. Let me tell you that was an adrenlin rush!!!!!!! Again, LE
people. Thank you!!! I guess since I've NEVER had a 'brush' with the law. Despicable isn't a word that comes to mind whenever an LE person comes up
in a discussion. Makes me think that anytime I read something here on the forum that is negative about someone, I first think, "that person has an
axe to grind".
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I have never been called a POSER before, this is new. Having twelve agents is a blessing, however numerous warrants grow stale, because we can't serve
them in a timely manner. We then have to "freshen them up", which takes more time. Quite often we will serve two to three search warrants in a day,
some weeks, sometimes none at all. Each agent works hisown case load, and informants with jsupervisorial approval. We are able to draw on the
Marijuana Erradication Team, when we have green dope to deal with. We are also able to draw on detectives from some of the local PD's, BUT, that takes
them off of their investigations. Chiefs OK it when there is a potential for some newsprint, asset seizure, or a big bust. We reciprocate by assisting
them with surveilances and inteligence gathering.
I am not saying citizens do not come to the aid of law enforcement officers, I am only saying I have not had the experince of one assisting me when I
was rolling on the ground.
Paybacks indeed send a message to the bad guys, they understand.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by 3464james
I am not saying citizens do not come to the aid of law enforcement officers, I am only saying I have not had the experince of one assisting me when I
was rolling on the ground.
Paybacks indeed send a message to the bad guys, they understand. |
You are full of self-rightous sht. If you can't handle your ***ing job, you should give it up to someone who isn't so self-rightous and self
concerned.
You put yourself out here as a victim...and you are there.
Your ***ing problem is you think that's a problem.
A cop with balls would consider that an invitation.
Nobody here called you a poser. I saw the word, but it doesn't apply to you at all.
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"I am not saying citizens do not come to the aid of law enforcement officers,"
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Oh, yeah .........you did say that. Read back to your slanderous attack on we who need your protection. Who rely on your positive frame of mind that
we are why you are where you are and why you are.
What ***ing nonsense that we of age should look upon Law Enforcement in a way that seperates it from our needs for reasons of your needs.
Get a grip, civil servant. Don't forget why you exist.
Unfortunatly, that sentiment is probably archaic.
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[Edited on 2-27-2011 by DENNIS]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
we do get our dander up when we are called "despicable" when we do our job. |
It's the 'top down' policies I find despicable NOT the people. The suggestion that LE is unbridled only when one of its own is murdered is
unacceptable. I want 100% effort 100% of the time. If it's supposed to be a "war" on drugs then I expect it should be fought like one. Criminals,
regardless if they 'fight fair' don't deserve ANY breaks.
[Edited on 2-27-2011 by Dave]
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Well said, Dave.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
It's the 'top down' policies I find despicable NOT the people.
[Edited on 2-27-2011 by Dave] |
It's those same policies at "the top" that continue the turf battles between federal agencies that preclude any cooperation.
Protect our budgets, missions and don't tell anybody anything......those federal agencies could be working the same person, group, gang or cartel and
they won't share information.....been there and have the t-shirt.
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dennis...yer right on; this guy is NOT in the loop...if he might have spelled "surveillance" and "intelligence" right he might have gotten me, but
after 20 yrs doin the same ol crap, i saw right through him...whatta piece of crap
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