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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
I wouldn't allow a foreigner to serve in our military knowing full well their sole reason was to attain citizenship. Seems to me that their lack of
nationalistic pride would dilute their finest effort when the safety of others would depend on it.
What could be expected of them as soldiers if they ended up on the US/MEX border?
[Edited on 3-28-2011 by DENNIS] |
good point. Maybe they'd jump the border fence and head home for lunch? |
Exactly, and yet there are more foreigners/contractors serving in the DOD/Pentagon than native citizens, for exactly the reasons described. They are
more willing to compromise our laws and traditions to achieve the goals of the current Admin, whose Whitehouse staff is predominantly dual citizens,
therefore without allegiance to our National goals.
We've covered this here, yet most fail to get this, foreigners have long been used here and abroad to undermine national goals-that is the definition
of a spy, only they are no longer undercover-they are out in the open.
Returning to this particular incident, there seems to be some naivete. The incident with foreign national sneaking in a US plated military vehicle
represents a very clear symbol. It's called institutional corruption, otherwise known as a false flag, US rogue factions using foreigners using US
plated vehicle and uniform to commit crimes against the US.
This incident is so obvious, so in your face, so idiotic, it had to be discovered, it's intentional. It's meant to undermine your faith in your
Military. It's called a psyop.
Subconsciously you know this, yet it's so offensive, it's so unbelievable to your sensibility you create a storyline in your brain to make it seem
better-i.e. it's just some silly people doing something stupid. But that's not what it is-how did it happen? What are the steps to make this happen?
This is a US false flag psyop. You should be extremely offended and see it as a top down plan, a failure, there is an orchestrated failure from
within.
No we can not have a foreign DOD/Pentagon/Whitehouse, nor foreign contractors as a majority in our Military.
You seniors should know this more than the youth, could you please assist the younger generations and your fellow retirees to see the problems here
and now and perhaps do something about it? Whose moral duty and responsibility is it to do something?
[Edited on 3-28-2011 by gnukid] |
newkid:
the illegal immigrants were running psyops???
you crack me up! i don't know if you are funning us or you really believe it. doesn't really matter, because it is a hoot! 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
I wouldn't allow a foreigner to serve in our military knowing full well their sole reason was to attain citizenship. Seems to me that their lack of
nationalistic pride would dilute their finest effort when the safety of others would depend on it.
What could be expected of them as soldiers if they ended up on the US/MEX border?
[Edited on 3-28-2011 by DENNIS] |
good point. Maybe they'd jump the border fence and head home for lunch? |
Exactly, and yet there are more foreigners/contractors serving in the DOD/Pentagon than native citizens, for exactly the reasons described. They are
more willing to compromise our laws and traditions to achieve the goals of the current Admin, whose Whitehouse staff is predominantly dual citizens,
therefore without allegiance to our National goals.
We've covered this here, yet most fail to get this, foreigners have long been used here and abroad to undermine national goals-that is the definition
of a spy, only they are no longer undercover-they are out in the open.
Returning to this particular incident, there seems to be some naivete. The incident with foreign national sneaking in a US plated military vehicle
represents a very clear symbol. It's called institutional corruption, otherwise known as a false flag, US rogue factions using foreigners using US
plated vehicle and uniform to commit crimes against the US.
This incident is so obvious, so in your face, so idiotic, it had to be discovered, it's intentional. It's meant to undermine your faith in your
Military. It's called a psyop.
Subconsciously you know this, yet it's so offensive, it's so unbelievable to your sensibility you create a storyline in your brain to make it seem
better-i.e. it's just some silly people doing something stupid. But that's not what it is-how did it happen? What are the steps to make this happen?
This is a US false flag psyop. You should be extremely offended and see it as a top down plan, a failure, there is an orchestrated failure from
within.
No we can not have a foreign DOD/Pentagon/Whitehouse, nor foreign contractors as a majority in our Military.
You seniors should know this more than the youth, could you please assist the younger generations and your fellow retirees to see the problems here
and now and perhaps do something about it? Whose moral duty and responsibility is it to do something?
[Edited on 3-28-2011 by gnukid] |
newkid:
the illegal immigrants were running psyops???
you crack me up! i don't know if you are funning us or you really believe it. doesn't really matter, because it is a hoot! |
Read the story, write it down if you need to, follow the exact steps, what did the story say?
It says that somewhere in SD a Military vehicle was stopped with an obvious piece of tape over one letter on the plate, inside were two USA citizens
and 8 or so illegals in military issued uniforms all with the same name-Perez. The vehicle was stopped because a fellow driving behind noticed a small
piece of tape.
This is a press release. There is only a photo of the vehicle and the people with the hands up inside. Take it for face value, it is exactly what it
appears-a US military vehicle driven apparently by US military with 8 illegals stopped in a setup press event. What is the purpose?
Who does US intelligence psychological operations? Camp Pendelton is the US center for communications intelligence operations? The base is a short
distance away.
What does a intelligence communications psychological base do? What types of events do they orchestrate and why?
This is obviously confusing, every aspect, it makes no sense, sideways, straight up, it's a pure and simple pysop designed to cause confusion. Take it
at face value, this is basic 101 military operations.
There is a current operation underway which is consistent, that is to reduce confidence in local military and police in order to usher in a solution,
this is called antithesis-thesis-synthesis, otherwise known as the hegelian dialectic.
By creating problems, they can define the solution and increase military control and justify expenditures.
Or do yo believe that US Military vehicle was stolen by bad guys, left the base, drove south,crossed into TJ and picked up 8 Mexicans and successfully
crossed the border with 8 mexicans without passports all wearing the same uniform, drove through secondary and made it half way up SD before a random
guy noticed and setup successfully initiated a stop of a Military Vehicle?
Can anyone explain how the official makes any logical sense or could have possibly occurred versus the more likely and plausible story that it didn't
happen at all and is simply a theatrical event, which is the operational function of the nearby Base?
Take it for what it is, nonsense.
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gnukid
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Gee I wonder why nearly every day I get a job offer for civilian communications specialist based out of Camp Pendelton? Do you think they would prefer
that I no longer hit Baja Nomads over the head to wake them up and instead wrote press releases for psyops?
This stuff is as old as time, and so are most of you? Do you think when Rome fell all psychological military shenanigans ended and from there on all
military play it straight munitions based warfare and we only fight war hand to hand or with jets dropping bombs? Do you understand that psychological
warfare is more common that actual munitions based warfare? What do you think this is the stone age? Do you believe everything you see on TV or read
in commercial media? Did you fall off a turnip truck?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
Gee I wonder why nearly every day I get a job offer for civilian communications specialist based out of Camp Pendelton? Do you think they would prefer
that I no longer hit Baja Nomads over the head to wake them up and instead wrote press releases for psyops?
This stuff is as old as time, and so are most of you? Do you think when Rome fell all psychological military shenanigans ended and from there on all
military play it straight munitions based warfare and we only fight war hand to hand or with jets dropping bombs? Do you understand that psychological
warfare is more common that actual munitions based warfare? What do you think this is the stone age? Do you believe everything you see on TV or read
in commercial media? Did you fall off a turnip truck? |
What's to stop them from taking you out back and putting an extra hole in your head? I think that would be easier for them than trying to get you to
come to work for them.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
I wouldn't allow a foreigner to serve in our military knowing full well their sole reason was to attain citizenship. Seems to me that their lack of
nationalistic pride would dilute their finest effort when the safety of others would depend on it.
What could be expected of them as soldiers if they ended up on the US/MEX border?
[Edited on 3-28-2011 by DENNIS] |
good point. Maybe they'd jump the border fence and head home for lunch? |
Exactly, and yet there are more foreigners/contractors serving in the DOD/Pentagon than native citizens, for exactly the reasons described. They are
more willing to compromise our laws and traditions to achieve the goals of the current Admin, whose Whitehouse staff is predominantly dual citizens,
therefore without allegiance to our National goals.
We've covered this here, yet most fail to get this, foreigners have long been used here and abroad to undermine national goals-that is the definition
of a spy, only they are no longer undercover-they are out in the open.
Returning to this particular incident, there seems to be some naivete. The incident with foreign national sneaking in a US plated military vehicle
represents a very clear symbol. It's called institutional corruption, otherwise known as a false flag, US rogue factions using foreigners using US
plated vehicle and uniform to commit crimes against the US.
This incident is so obvious, so in your face, so idiotic, it had to be discovered, it's intentional. It's meant to undermine your faith in your
Military. It's called a psyop.
Subconsciously you know this, yet it's so offensive, it's so unbelievable to your sensibility you create a storyline in your brain to make it seem
better-i.e. it's just some silly people doing something stupid. But that's not what it is-how did it happen? What are the steps to make this happen?
This is a US false flag psyop. You should be extremely offended and see it as a top down plan, a failure, there is an orchestrated failure from
within.
No we can not have a foreign DOD/Pentagon/Whitehouse, nor foreign contractors as a majority in our Military.
You seniors should know this more than the youth, could you please assist the younger generations and your fellow retirees to see the problems here
and now and perhaps do something about it? Whose moral duty and responsibility is it to do something?
[Edited on 3-28-2011 by gnukid] |
newkid:
the illegal immigrants were running psyops???
you crack me up! i don't know if you are funning us or you really believe it. doesn't really matter, because it is a hoot! |
Read the story, write it down if you need to, follow the exact steps, what did the story say?
It says that somewhere in SD a Military vehicle was stopped with an obvious piece of tape over one letter on the plate, inside were two USA citizens
and 8 or so illegals in military issued uniforms all with the same name-Perez. The vehicle was stopped because a fellow driving behind noticed a small
piece of tape.
This is a press release. There is only a photo of the vehicle and the people with the hands up inside. Take it for face value, it is exactly what it
appears-a US military vehicle driven apparently by US military with 8 illegals stopped in a setup press event. What is the purpose?
Who does US intelligence psychological operations? Camp Pendelton is the US center for communications intelligence operations? The base is a short
distance away.
What does a intelligence communications psychological base do? What types of events do they orchestrate and why?
This is obviously confusing, every aspect, it makes no sense, sideways, straight up, it's a pure and simple pysop designed to cause confusion. Take it
at face value, this is basic 101 military operations.
There is a current operation underway which is consistent, that is to reduce confidence in local military and police in order to usher in a solution,
this is called antithesis-thesis-synthesis, otherwise known as the hegelian dialectic.
By creating problems, they can define the solution and increase military control and justify expenditures.
Or do yo believe that US Military vehicle was stolen by bad guys, left the base, drove south,crossed into TJ and picked up 8 Mexicans and successfully
crossed the border with 8 mexicans without passports all wearing the same uniform, drove through secondary and made it half way up SD before a random
guy noticed and setup successfully initiated a stop of a Military Vehicle?
Can anyone explain how the official makes any logical sense or could have possibly occurred versus the more likely and plausible story that it didn't
happen at all and is simply a theatrical event, which is the operational function of the nearby Base?
Take it for what it is, nonsense. |
Not sure I believe it, but this makes more sense to me than the original story, which I never believed. According to the article it seemed impossible
and therefore improbable. 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishabductor
| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
Gee I wonder why nearly every day I get a job offer for civilian communications specialist based out of Camp Pendelton? Do you think they would prefer
that I no longer hit Baja Nomads over the head to wake them up and instead wrote press releases for psyops?
This stuff is as old as time, and so are most of you? Do you think when Rome fell all psychological military shenanigans ended and from there on all
military play it straight munitions based warfare and we only fight war hand to hand or with jets dropping bombs? Do you understand that psychological
warfare is more common that actual munitions based warfare? What do you think this is the stone age? Do you believe everything you see on TV or read
in commercial media? Did you fall off a turnip truck? |
What's to stop them from taking you out back and putting an extra hole in your head? I think that would be easier for them than trying to get you to
come to work for them. |
People seem to misjudge, there is a code of ethics, in the military and in cartels, corrupt police, mafia, they have a code. This is a game, I am
playing the game, so are you, they need us. These psychological operations are as old as time, one game is called the big lie, another truth-lie-truth
sandwich, you use some truth, some lies, the purpose is many-fold, primarily it is to cause cognitive dissonance, or the line-of-tension, by creating
scenarios that make little sense they create chaos, from chaos they create order-their order.
The only real method of dismantling the game is not play. The greatest enemy of the military are those who won't play.
A simple example is modern advertising, do you need a new car? Do you need deoderant? Do you need, diet soda? 8 oz bottled water? People believe they
do or you would be unhappy or suffer without these items. Old cars are also taken out of the market, do you recall taxpayers subsidized removing old
cars (cash for clunkers) so that we would require new ones, just after the US car industry was artificially dismantled, then reshuffled, the whole
process is absurd yet the average person believe it worked to solve a problem and serve their needs while in fact this is false. Fiat now owns
Chrysler and Dodge. We paid.
My comments about the story play into their hands either way, they don't care what happens as long the majority are confused or occupied debating if
not they make it more confusing.
As you can see most watch media as literal reporting of events while it is not, its a theatrical reading, with subtextualization. Edward Bernays is an
American who created the modern method, he orchestrated many psychological wars, promoted women smoking etc... You may also want to read about Fabian
Socialist war of modern collectivization. Each of these examples given are examples of Fabian Collectivism, through psychological attrition.
Every action, every story reported is a scripted theatre with an agenda, its not necessarily perfectly scripted with a grand conclusion, quite the
opposite, it's massive chaos, with the goal of using each orchestrated crisis as opportunity.
I am not sure why more people are not aware.
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A psyop is an operational event, whose cost is quite low yet the impact is quite large to occupy the energies and resources of a given population to
achieve a specific goal.
If one of the primary goals of the military is justify its funding and secure increased funding, then operations which are low cost yet achieve this
goal with broad appeal are deemed huge successes.
When military strategists consider possible strategies to achieve their goals, they imagined one concept could be massive bombing, another is a simple
psychological event or reporting of a perceived event which serves to manipulate the population to support and achieve their goals.
Simple.
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Ask yourself why would the there be reporting of US torture camps, why Guantanamo? Why are photos released, what is the Bradley Manning story? They
admit that that there is much more likely to be false confessions under torture than true, the purpose is not to affect change inside the base but to
affect change outside the base, it's role-playing, a psychological operation, learned from experience in Korean war and many other wars with many
purposes.
Here's a background article CIA Psychologist's Notes Reveal True Purpose Behind Bush's Torture Program
[Edited on 3-29-2011 by gnukid]
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I remain confused, so I guess it's working. 
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Gnu Knows the Answer !
No Doubt he receives Nocturnal Mind-Melds from the spirit of Robert Welch summing up each new Conspiracy for distribution to the Unknowing.
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Here's an article speaking to one of the points made here, that cash for clunkers is a twisted psyop, it sounds as you are being given money while in fact the taxpayer is paying to lose.
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Clunker Psyops and Psychotics
Obviously, the Knowing Gnu and fellow Welch-Warriors have NEVER seen ANYTHING that couldn't be considered, collated and configured into a Conspiracy.
Equally Obvious is that when they heard what Occam (Ockham) had to say, their response was "BullCaca".
After all, the guy who came up with it was a Franciscan which clearly indicates a Conspiracy participant.
The simplest answer is NEVER the choice of the Political Gnostic who KNOWS that there is ALWAYS another story which is hidden in plain sight beneath
the all-seeing Eye.
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Is this Psyops too? Today's news from Camp Pendleton. Middle aged Middle Eastern men driving up to the gates of a Marine base in a black Mercedes
Benz was a terrorist plan? I'm thinking they were stupid, lost- or both.
http://www.10news.com/news/27377448/detail.html
Alert Issued After Security Incident On Camp Pendleton
3 Middle Eastern Men Tried To Enter Base Without Proper Authorization, Base Alert Says
POSTED: 4:36 pm PDT March 30, 2011 UPDATED: 11:31 pm PDT March 30, 2011
SAN DIEGO -- One of the nation's largest military bases is reportedly under tighter security after three Middle Eastern men tried to enter without
proper authorization.
10News learned the three men -- 40-year-old Afghani Ahmad Rahmani Naeem, 41-year-old Iranian Vahik Petrossian and 27-year-old Iranian Sengekdi Norvik
Avanosian -- attempted to get into Camp Pendleton last weekend under what was considered suspicious circumstances. On Wednesday, base officials said
there was no threat, but others on the base told 10News security has been stepped up.
According to a Be On the Lookout (BOLO) alert issued to high-ranking Camp Pendleton officials, someone reported hearing hateful comments and terrorist
threats from three men at a gas station in Oceanside Saturday.
Investigators at Camp Pendleton said the men asked the attendant for directions on how to get to Camp Pendleton before they left the gas station.
According to the alert, shortly after midnight Sunday, a rented silver Toyota Corolla driven by Naeem attempted to enter Camp Pendleton through the
main gate. As it was being searched, Petrossian and Avanosian drove up in a black Mercedes, but were told to wait. Instead, they continued past the
gate and onto the base. Following a short pursuit, the Mercedes was stopped and searched.
No weapons or contraband were found in the Mercedes, but base security noticed the air bag in the steering wheel of the Mercedes had been pulled out
and re-attached with duct tape and had wires hanging free, the alert said.
According to the alert, Naaem told base security he was lost and was trying to go to Glendale. When interviewed, Petrossian and Avanosian said they
were lost and trying to go to Glendale. The three men claimed not to know each other, the alert said.
Naaem, Petrossian and Avanosian were photographed and released after questioning, and a warning about the trio was posted to law enforcement.
However, later that morning about 8:30 a.m., Naeem returned in the Toyota and tried to get on the base again, saying he made a mistake and was trying
to enter Interstate 5, the alert said. After his vehicle was searched, Naeem was issued a letter of debarment from the base and escorted to the
freeway.
Since the incident, 10News learned high-ranking Camp Pendleton officials have notified other military bases and law enforcement of a potential threat.
According to a local security expert, that comes with good reason. "I think after 9/11, anybody on any government facility should be worried," local
expert John told 10News. John, who does undercover security and anti-terrorism work for Eagle Eye Security Solutions, did not want to be identified.
He told 10News the Camp Pendleton incident sounds like a possible probe or dry run and said their visits raise a few red flags. "Number one: they
went on base twice. Their stories didn't stick, kinda wishy washy. Number two: the vehicle, the condition of the vehicle," said John. "They could have
been probing the security, not just cameras, sensors, individual security from MPs. Three: [they] could have wanted to know what background checks
would have produced." Amanda Sumner, who lives on the base, said the alert was very concerning for her. "My family lives there and I know it's very
easy access to get on base at the front gate… All you have to have is a driver's license that isn't suspended," she said.
A criminal background check on the trio conducted by the Department of Homeland Security found no "derogatory records" for the men. Additionally, the
U.S. Border Patrol said the immigration statuses for the three men were confirmed and they did not appear on any terrorist watch databases.
[Edited on 4-1-2011 by Woooosh]
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At least you are asking the question, what do you think?
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