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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
Jenny and I no longer work for the Mexican tourism department. We quit. There's drug activity everywhere, a lot of it right here in Baja Sur like she
says. Don't come down here. Stay away. |
Now I am confused!!  Skeet just posted NOW is the time to move to Baja Sur!!
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by john68
Those seriously interested in the flow of guns from the U.S. to Mexico should follow Congress' current investigation of the ATF's Operation Fast and
Furious. The ATF is alleged to have encouraged the illegal sale and export of thousands of weapons to Mexico.
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Yeah.....we all know this, so what's your point?
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john68
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the point is the story that a "gun-happy U.S." is supplying "automatic weapons" to Mexican drug cartels isn't quite true.
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Bajahowodd
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Let's not conflate the quasi-legal ATF program with the smuggling of weapons SOB.
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windgrrl
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Iflyfish
This is very close to Cabo Pulmo and should get as much press as possible. The desert is rife with cartel guys shooting up the place, pelegroso, mui
pelegroso!
IflyfishinfearandtrepidationandwillNEVERswimcabopulmocauseofpistoleros |
Hmmm...guess we shouldn't have paddled our inflatable kayak across the bay in the marine park, eh?!! 
When the way comes to an end, then change. Having changed, you pass through.
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DENNIS
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None of us here will ever know the details, but what we do know doesn't look good on this issue.
What does "conflate" mean, Howard? Is it something you would do to a Beachball in a private moment?
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john68
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Fast and Furious was a half-baked plan that contributed to the death of a U.S. agent in Mexico and who knows how many Mexicans. What part of that is
"quasi-legal"?
If you want to want to help Mexico, forget about repealing that pesky 2nd Amendment and try the U.S. War on Drugs. George Schultz and Paul Volcker,
two notarious anti-establishment types, had a thoughtful editorial in the WSJ a few days ago.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405270230439270457637...
If Schultz and Volcker are writing stuff like this, maybe there's hope for a rational debate.
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Osprey
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Dennis, hate to butt in here but conflate must mean "to leave alone any object which is inflated". I didn't look that up. Just a matter of
underinduction -- I tried to put myself into the word, the "bush at the bottom of the garden", the core of the core meaning he was after. It also
could mean the obverse, "To gnash, swallow and eat baloons".
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bajamigo
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krafty
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sad but true-the NRA has really got a hold on ya, and members see nothing wrong with this. Who the heck needs an AK-47?
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wessongroup
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"Who the heck needs an AK-47?"
Your right... nothing without a 40 mm grenade launcher ... attached
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Cypress
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Those mass graves on the mainland are full of people who needed Kalashnikovs.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by baronvonbob
I suppose they are going to saty the AK47 was made in american and distribuited by???? |
The US has more guns per capita than any other industrialized country. The US also has the most lax gun control in the industrialized world.
yes, we have the most guns/capita but not most used used to commit murder primarily:
Crime Statistics > Murders with firearms (per capita) (most recent) by country
Showing latest available data.
# 1 South Africa: 0.719782 per 1,000 people
# 2 Colombia: 0.509801 per 1,000 people
# 3 Thailand: 0.312093 per 1,000 people
# 4 Zimbabwe: 0.0491736 per 1,000 people
# 5 Mexico: 0.0337938 per 1,000 people
# 6 Belarus: 0.0321359 per 1,000 people
# 7 Costa Rica: 0.0313745 per 1,000 people
# 8 United States: 0.0279271 per 1,000 people
# 9 Uruguay: 0.0245902 per 1,000 people
# 10 Lithuania: 0.0230748 per 1,000 people
# 11 Slovakia: 0.021543 per 1,000 people
# 12 Czech Republic: 0.0207988 per 1,000 people
# 13 Estonia: 0.0157539 per 1,000 people
# 14 Latvia: 0.0131004 per 1,000 people
# 15 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 0.0127139 per 1,000 people
# 16 Bulgaria: 0.00845638 per 1,000 people
# 17 Portugal: 0.00795003 per 1,000 people
# 18 Slovenia: 0.00596718 per 1,000 people
# 19 Switzerland: 0.00534117 per 1,000 people
# 20 Canada: 0.00502972 per 1,000 people
# 21 Germany: 0.00465844 per 1,000 people
# 22 Moldova: 0.00448934 per 1,000 people
# 23 Hungary: 0.00439692 per 1,000 people
# 24 Poland: 0.0043052 per 1,000 people
# 25 Ukraine: 0.00368109 per 1,000 people
# 26 Ireland: 0.00298805 per 1,000 people
# 27 Australia: 0.00293678 per 1,000 people
# 28 Denmark: 0.00257732 per 1,000 people
# 29 Spain: 0.0024045 per 1,000 people
# 30 Azerbaijan: 0.00227503 per 1,000 people
# 31 New Zealand: 0.00173482 per 1,000 people
# 32 United Kingdom: 0.00102579 per 1,000 people
Weighted average: 0.1 per 1,000 people
If you can obtain automatic weapons in Texas, why go to Africa or South America? Just asking. |
Throughout the world, the AK and its variants are among the most commonly smuggled small arms sold to governments, rebels, criminals, and civilians
alike, with little international oversight.[citation needed] In some countries, prices for AKs are very low; in Somalia, Rwanda, Mozambique, Congo and
Ethiopia, prices are between $30 and $125 per weapon, and prices have fallen in the last few decades due to mass counterfeiting. Moisés Naím observed
that in a small town in Kenya in 1986, an AK-47 cost fifteen cows but that in 2005, the price was down to four cows indicating that supply was
"immense".[42] The weapon has appeared in a number of conflicts including clashes in the Balkans, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Somalia.[43]
After the Soviet retreat from Afghanistan, the Soviet Army left quantities of weapons including AKs[citation needed] which were subsequently used in
the civil war between the Taliban and the Northern Alliance and were also exported to Pakistan. The gun is now also made in Pakistan's semi-autonomous
areas (see more at Khyber Pass Copy). It is widely used by tribes in Africa like the Hamer, amongst others.[citation needed]
The World Bank estimates that out of the 500 million total firearms available worldwide, 100 million are of the Kalashnikov family, and 75 million of
which are AK-47s.[44]
Bob Durrell
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
None of us here will ever know the details, but what we do know doesn't look good on this issue.
What does "conflate" mean, Howard? Is it something you would do to a Beachball in a private moment? |
Conflatulations, Dennis! You have a good nose for words. 
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Google Translate
No clues murderers of policemen, the search continues in the mountains south of the capital
La Paz
Manuel Espinoza
Attorney reported yesterday that at least 50 elements involved municipal, ministerial and state, together with the Armed Forces
Until yesterday they had no clues to the suspected murderers of two municipal police commissioners in the community of San Antonio, so the pedestrian
operating for its location and probable arrest, continued with the participation of hundreds of items between Armed Forces , municipal police,
officials and state.
The state prosecutor, Gamil Arreola Leal reported that fortunately has a close coordination with the federal military, state and municipal
governments, which jointly carried out this operation in the mountains south of the capital.
He said checkpoints have been stepped up and operating along the road Transpeninsular with its connections to roads and trails, but also visiting
villages settled in the mountains between San Antonio, San Bartolo and James, if the alleged killers contact to the residents for food, water, or
failing that some transport to reach out to communities.
http://www.tribunadeloscabos.com.mx/newpage2/index.cfm?op=po...
As reported at the time Tribuna de Los Cabos, two elements of the Municipal Public Security were found dead a few meters of the road leading from the
Federal Highway to the community of San Antonio de la Sierra, same as showed signs of violence and tens of shots to the body, transcending who had
been killed by the occupants of a white GMC Jimmy, 1997 model, which would be secured by the authorities.
The officers killed were identified as Jose Ramon Manriquez Jorge Manriquez and Adalberto Leyva Manriquez, 39 and 36 years old, respectively, both
originating and residing in the community of San Antonio, where they were widely known and are not related to negative attitudes or overbearing in the
population, in fulfilling their duties.
The research raises the presumption that the officers arrested the progress of the patrol and went to investigate a suspicious car, but were surprised
by the occupants after a scuffle between them, were submitted and the vehicle's occupants against them suspects emptied several magazines of bullets
caliber, as evidence because it found five empty magazines, and a package (shirt) with hundreds of bullets used.
There is information indicating that the insured vehicle was acquired Thursday in a yard in the capital city, which means that their occupants are
inside the country and came to this entity also recently, however, the data provided by the prospective buyer may be false.
The unit also found several bags of groceries, which seems to suggest that the suspects had enough supplies to stay several days camped somewhere in
the Sierra de la Laguna.
As of yesterday did not report any progress, so this day will continue the search in the mountains and checkpoints, guards and the airport terminals,
sea and land, according to the attorney through the Social Communication Unit .
When the way comes to an end, then change. Having changed, you pass through.
~ I-Ching
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So who exactly who are the looking for? They are throwing a wide net yet proably have no suspect information.
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