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From the article: “Blue-eyed, blond tourism is not coming down, by a long shot,” said Mariano Escobedo, the committee’s president. In its
place, he said, local, state and national Mexican tourists are increasingly filling the void.
Forget the Blue-eyed blond tourist. They ain't coming. They're are too scared. Wimps many of them.
They have a better shot of focusing on the Mexicans and Mexican-Americans living in the border states. Latinos are practically the majority now in
California, and if they aren't yet they soon will be. And it's not one size fits all. There are huge different demographics, socioeconomic factors
of Latinos. You can even break it down by generation with the first generations being the closes to Mexico, and the third generation being fully
assimilated in US culture. Each one of these groups probably has ties to Mexico and they have visited the baja area numerous times.
Even the Mexican-Americans fear Baja because they see the same news as everybody else, and many of them believe the border area of Mexico is too
dangerous. But these are the easiest to convince that Mexico isn't that dangerous as the media will have us believe. ( one trip again is usually all
that's needed to convince them Mexico isn't that dangerous.
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A few here mentioned and discussed the fact that "SOME" Mexican nationals don't like Mexican-Americans, or as some call them the derogatory term of
"Pochos." And "SOME" the key word here is "some" Mexican-Americans don't like Mexican nationals who they view as low class and it's especially bad in
the high schools, but when push comes to shove Mexican-Americans support their Mexican National counterparts on immigration issues and that's
something that gringos for the most part don't do. And when the Mexican nationals get to talking with the Mexican-American they find they have a lot
in common and share the same culture.
I got news for white Americans who believe Mexican Nationals hate pochos. Guess who they hate more, and who they rip off more? That's right the
Mexican haters can't stand
gabachos" the pejorative term for Americans, and they usually have a colorful adjective that goes in front of the "G" word. Now to your face the
Mexican national haters are nice to you especially if you have money, but as soon as you turn your back. Watch out because they say some of the most
unkind things about you and other white Americans.
But hey racial hate, bigotry, and stereotyping is everywhere. If a bigot hates one race or ethic heritage you can almost be certain he hates many
different races, ethic heritages or religions. Show me a Mexican National that hates Mexican-Americans, and I'll show you the same guy who hates white
Americans more!
[Edited on 7-3-2011 by JoeJustJoe]
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A few weeks ago, my Wife and I *walked* across the border for the day, and there wasn't anything to be scared about.
Along the way, the sidewalks are decorated with imagery that will undoubtedly inspire the next generation of Baja travelers!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
Show me a Mexican National that hates Mexican-Americans, and I'll show you the same guy who hates white Americans more! |
Jeeezo, Joe...you're a real spokesman for Peace, Love and Fish Tacos. Yeah....quite the ambassador.
| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
garachos" the pejorative term for Americans, and they usually have a colorful adjective that goes in front of the "G" word. |
By the the way...GABACHO is spelled like this. If I have to be the target of your racist epithet, I'd prefer that you extend the
dignity of proper spelling.
I'm surprised by your uncharacteristic vitriol, but I'll consider the time of day..night...morning which you chose for your heartfelt note.
I don't suppose you have much planned for the Fourth...do ya. Best that you save all your festive moods for a Viva La Raza parade or a US flag
burning. You know....something near and dear to your black heart.
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[Edited on 7-3-2011 by DENNIS]
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Missing a Niche ?
Mexico could start up "Narco-Cartel Reality Boot Camps" where paying tourists could assume various Roles and participate in Pseudo- Beheadings,
Massacres and Army Assaults.
Thrills and Chills without Real Danger with Camera Crews making Souvenir DVDs for the folks to take home and reminisce over.
There may be Gold among those Thrill-seeking Gringoes.
Maybe, even the Japanese, once they get past that Radiation stuff and start spending tourist Yen again.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
The above movie is a pretty durn good example. Doncha think?
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No....I don't. It's a drama sin realidad. If you replaced the actors with Blacks...you would have a different opinion.
You have a terrible opinion of Whites, Ken. You always have.
I respect that, but don't try to sell it to me. I was born this way. |
"I was born this way." Dennis. Who are you, Lady Gaga? 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
The above movie is a pretty durn good example. Doncha think?
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No....I don't. It's a drama sin realidad. If you replaced the actors with Blacks...you would have a different opinion.
You have a terrible opinion of Whites, Ken. You always have.
I respect that, but don't try to sell it to me. I was born this way. |
"I was born this way." Dennis. Who are you, Lady Gaga?
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Dennis - Some of my best friends are White.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
Dennis - Some of my best friends are White. |
That's because you're the only Black man in the world who owns a Jeep and likes to tear it apart in the hills. Nobody wants to do that alone.
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Born to Be Ken
Best summed up by "Ain't that the *****".
[Edited on 7-4-2011 by BajaNomad]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
Show me a Mexican National that hates Mexican-Americans, and I'll show you the same guy who hates white Americans more! |
Jeeezo, Joe...you're a real spokesman for Peace, Love and Fish Tacos. Yeah....quite the ambassador.
| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
garachos" the pejorative term for Americans, and they usually have a colorful adjective that goes in front of the "G" word. |
By the the way...GABACHO is spelled like this. If I have to be the target of your racist epithet, I'd prefer that you extend the
dignity of proper spelling.
I'm surprised by your uncharacteristic vitriol, but I'll consider the time of day..night...morning which you chose for your heartfelt note.
I don't suppose you have much planned for the Fourth...do ya. Best that you save all your festive moods for a Viva La Raza parade or a US flag
burning. You know....something near and dear to your black heart.
[Edited on 7-3-2011 by DENNIS] |
Dennis you're the one that started down this racist road how pochos are hated by Mexican nationals and then you stereotyped typed 'all'
Mexican-Americans as being unpatriotic towards the US and identifying with Mexico over the USA.
I can't believe Woooosh and a few others concurred with you!( it shows me Woooosh knows even less about Mexican-Americans than he does Mexican
Nationals!)
The fact is there are many Mexican-Americans who are just patriotic as you Dennis or other Americans. I happen not to be one of them, and think of the
Fourth of July as just another holiday and nothing more. However, I still think I'm a better American for speaking out against bad US polices
especially when Bush was President than the so-called conservative American flag wavers who say nothing when our basic humans/constitutional rights
are infringed on.
The only thing I was pointing out that Mexican bigots who hate pochos often hate gabachos more. Sorry I misspelled it, but that must have been a typo
because I use that word often. It's quite common for me to run across gringos who find out some Mexican nationals hate Mexican-Americans, but don't
realize those types hate gringos more.
I could care less if somebody wants to burn the American flag or Mexican flag. Often there are good reasons to burn the flag and send a message.
[Edited on 7-3-2011 by JoeJustJoe]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
Dennis you're the one that started down this racist road how pochos are hated by Mexican nationals and then you stereotyped typed 'all'
Mexican-Americans as being unpatriotic towards the US and identifying with Mexico over the USA.
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"Pocho"....not my word, Joe. It's yours.
Let's refresh:
"The US Hispanic demographic is a desperate compromise for a tourism market insomuch as they arn't universally popular in Mexico. In fact,
some here refer to them as "Men without a country."
In their zeal to link themselves with Mexico as a mother-land, they espouse their blood loyalty to Mexico in spite of being born in the US.
"Mi Tierra." Devotion to the Virgin of Guadalupe....and anything else that will bind them to their fantasy.
In view of this, that they turn their back on their rightful birthland and pledge emotional allegiance to a land not their own as though birth rites
are in the blood, they end up with nothing at all. They are "Men without a country."
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Joe....must I go into detail about that word, "Some" ? it doesn't mean "All". I didn't mean all , but to your credit, I did over-generalize.
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The only thing I was pointing out that Mexican bigots who hate pochos often hate gabachos more. Sorry I misspelled it, but that must have been a typo
because I use that word often.
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Yes. I'm sure you do.
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I could care less if somebody wants to burn the American flag or Mexican flag. Often there are good reasons to burn the flag and send a message.
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And, who wouldn't want a message from such a hateful person as you, Joe. You are such an inspiring person.
Joe....************************************************* *********************************. Your klanish intensity of hatred for Whites is disgusting.
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[Edited on 7-4-2011 by BajaNomad]
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Hey Joe who writes: "I could care less if somebody wants to burn the American flag or Mexican flag". Happy Fourth Joe. Try burning the Mexican flag
in Mexico and see how many years yo spend in prison. Give thanks tomorrow that you can burn the USA flag and spout your thinly disguised contempt
free from fear of repercussion. God Bless America. Enjoy the fourth everyone.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
Dennis you're the one that started down this racist road how pochos are hated by Mexican nationals and then you stereotyped typed 'all'
Mexican-Americans as being unpatriotic towards the US and identifying with Mexico over the USA.
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"Pocho"....not my word, Joe. It's yours.
Let's refresh:
"The US Hispanic demographic is a desperate compromise for a tourism market insomuch as they arn't universally popular in Mexico. In fact,
some here refer to them as "Men without a country."
In their zeal to link themselves with Mexico as a mother-land, they espouse their blood loyalty to Mexico in spite of being born in the US.
"Mi Tierra." Devotion to the Virgin of Guadalupe....and anything else that will bind them to their fantasy.
In view of this, that they turn their back on their rightful birthland and pledge emotional allegiance to a land not their own as though birth rites
are in the blood, they end up with nothing at all. They are "Men without a country."
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Joe....must I go into detail about that word, "Some" ? it doesn't mean "All". I didn't mean all , but to your credit, I did over-generalize.
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The only thing I was pointing out that Mexican bigots who hate pochos often hate gabachos more. Sorry I misspelled it, but that must have been a typo
because I use that word often.
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Yes. I'm sure you do.
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I could care less if somebody wants to burn the American flag or Mexican flag. Often there are good reasons to burn the flag and send a message.
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And, who wouldn't want a message from such a hateful person as you, Joe. You are such an inspiring person.
Joe....************************************************* *********************************. Your klanish intensity of hatred for Whites is disgusting.
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Dennis it's obvious to anyone that reads your anti-Mexican rants that you have an anti-Mexican bias towards Mexicans where you often negatively
stereotype them and lump them all together.
Let me remind you on this patriotic holiday coming up how Mexican-Americans served in the US military in pretty high numbers compared to their
representation in the USA as a whole, and how Latinos over represent themselves in the US Marines where they make up over 18 percent of the US
Marines. In both World War II and the Vietnam war Hispanics often were the grunts sent to fight in the front lines and suffered many war casualties
but they fought hard and often inflicted heavy casualties on their enemies. One of the reasons why they fought so hard is to prove themselves.
Personally, I think wars stinks, and any young Latino kid or any kid for that matter should have their head examined if they want to join the US
military in order to risk their lives for Halliburton or other evil US corporation. They certainly aren't fighting for me, or other Americans back
home. But we Latinos are a diverse group who often don't think alike and some Latinos are very patriotic and then there are others like me who hang
the American flag upside down in my house.( actually it's my kids that do that)
Let me leave you with a few writings about others and Hispanics in the US armed forces:
According to the U.S. Army records, Hispanics have been fighting in every war since the revolutionary war with both honor and pride. Whenever the call
was issued forth for those who loved America to come to her defense, Hispanics have heeded the call and deserve credit for defending America’s freedom
initially and to date. Today, thousands of Hispanic Americans still fight to defend the freedom and liberty of America, fighting the war on terrorism,
engaging enemies on distant shores as well as protecting the homeland in the service of the coast guard, border patrol and the reserves. Though a well
known fact that many Hispanics serve in the military today, it is less known the history of Hispanics in the armed services paralleling the
development of the United States through all of its years of change and resulting wars.
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Hispanics (sometimes also referred to as "Latinos"[4]) in the Marine Corps account for the largest minority group of that military institution.
Hispanics comprise 18 percent of enlisted Marines today, up from 15 percent when the Iraq War began.[5] The United States Marine Corps has implemented
an aggressive recruitment programs directed towards Hispanics,[6] which is the nation's largest ethnic or minority race (2005 Census).[7] According to
the U.S. Census Bureau, the estimated Hispanic population of the United States is 42.7 million — 15% of the U.S. population.[7][8]
[Edited on 7-4-2011 by BajaNomad]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
Dennis it's obvious to anyone that reads your anti-Mexican rants that you have an anti-Mexican bias towards Mexicans where you often negatively
stereotype them and lump them all together.
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This is as far as I got into your post, Joe. You'll have to give us an example of your accusation before I go any further.
References please...in the words of PJC. Another of your favorite Gabachos.
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I can hear Joe sifting the archives. 
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I've got a couple of observations.
1- Dennis has lived in Mexico for a long, long time. He is a citizen of the US, who could easily cross the border and not look back. But he still
resides in Punta Banda. The idea that he has a major anti-Mexican bias does not hold water.
At least, in my opinion, Dennis represents the Greek chorus, not fearing to identify hypocricy and such.
2- Getting closer to the original posit of this thread, one need look no farther than Acapulco. Once among the few world-class international tourist
destinations, it has in recent decades, become a major magnet for domestic tourism, just as foreign tourism has declined.
The toll road from Mexico City was probably the a major catalyst.
However, that said, among the major Mexican beach resorts countrywide, Acapulco draws the highest pecentage of domestic visitors.
Granted that Acapulco has a major advantage over a place such as Rosarito, just because of its proximity to such a large population base, but the
concept is quite the same.
On the other side of the coin, given that such destinations as Cabo and Cancun have drawn an overwheming percentage of those "blue-eyed" tourists, by
fundamentally catering to same in offering a more gringo-style experience, I would wonder if developing a more distinct Mexican ambience would further
decrease the blue-eyed visitors.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
On the other side of the coin, given that such destinations as Cabo and Cancun have drawn an overwheming percentage of those "blue-eyed" tourists, by
fundamentally catering to same in offering a more gringo-style experience, I would wonder if developing a more distinct Mexican ambience would further
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Thanks for the above, Howard. You're correct in your observation. I don't dislike anybody per se.
On the other hand, I sometimes have great trouble with what they do and how they act.
Joe knows this, but he's cranky today and trying his best to be a bonehead. Doing quite well at that, I must say.
I can't figure out what you mean by a "more distinct Mexican ambience." What would that be? What do they do that we don't do? I know there must be
something, but I believe were closer than some would give us credit for being.
Cultural traits aside, what are our differences that are part of the tourism industry?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
Show me a Mexican National that hates Mexican-Americans, and I'll show you the same guy who hates white Americans more! |
Jeeezo, Joe...you're a real spokesman for Peace, Love and Fish Tacos. Yeah....quite the ambassador.
| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
garachos" the pejorative term for Americans, and they usually have a colorful adjective that goes in front of the "G" word. |
By the the way...GABACHO is spelled like this. If I have to be the target of your racist epithet, I'd prefer that you extend the
dignity of proper spelling.
I'm surprised by your uncharacteristic vitriol, but I'll consider the time of day..night...morning which you chose for your heartfelt note.
I don't suppose you have much planned for the Fourth...do ya. Best that you save all your festive moods for a Viva La Raza parade or a US flag
burning. You know....something near and dear to your black heart.
[Edited on 7-3-2011 by DENNIS] |
The only thing I was pointing out that Mexican bigots who hate pochos often hate gabachos more.
[Edited on 7-3-2011 by JoeJustJoe] |
Thats utter caca de perro.
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