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Oddjob
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| Quote: | "Coming to baja"? LOL!!!!!! maybe you have been under a rock wooosh, but it already tried to happen in Tijuana remember? last month there where 8 drug
related murders in TJ, down from what? 80???
I think we are handling it pretty well, why?
BECAUSE THIS IS NOT GUERRERO OR THE MAINLAND!!! |
Things are looking a lot better in TJ. Make my burger medium rare.
http://www.sandiegored.com/noticias/18015/15-people-killed-i...
[Edited on 9-4-2011 by Oddjob]
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JESSE
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| Quote: | | Quote: | Originally posted by Oddjob
"Coming to baja"? LOL!!!!!! maybe you have been under a rock wooosh, but it already tried to happen in Tijuana remember? last month there where 8 drug
related murders in TJ, down from what? 80???
I think we are handling it pretty well, why?
BECAUSE THIS IS NOT GUERRERO OR THE MAINLAND!!! |
Things are looking a lot better in TJ. Make my burger medium rare.
http://www.sandiegored.com/noticias/18015/15-people-killed-i...
[Edited on 9-4-2011 by Oddjob] |
Not even 1 murder should be acceptable, but the FACT is, back a few years it was 15 people in ONE DAY. What ever you say, cannot deny the fact that
murders in TJ are down considerable. Most of my friends that went to San Diego qhen things got hard, are back in TJ and doing good.
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Woooosh
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If crime is down, it isn't because of the hard work anyone has done. It is because a truce has been made to save Mexico from the greed it lived and
would have died by. Little by little the narcos will operate under the radar- just like before. But this time they will do so knowing they tested
the waters and won, and now they will own Mexico.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
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The story has absolutely NOTHING to do with Baja. Acapulco is in another state, with diferent people, diferent criminals. |
Different criminals? Why different? Because they have different names?
All I'm saying is, if the method works over there, why wouldn't some home-grown criminals try it here? |
Why? because the cartels operating there are very diferent, its like comparing the Italian mafia to the Chinese triads, diferent methods, diferent way
of doing business. Guerrero is also a state with a huge sierra, large population of illiterate people, guerrillas, and a long history of rebels and
violence. Baja sur is nothing like that. |
Did you write that sober? geeesh, what a crock of bull-hockey. This is coming to Baja. We all know it and no one can stop it.
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JESSE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
If crime is down, it isn't because of the hard work anyone has done. It is because a truce has been made to save Mexico from the greed it lived and
would have died by. Little by little the narcos will operate under the radar- just like before. But this time they will do so knowing they tested
the waters and won, and now they will own Mexico. |
LMFAO!!!!!! so now you have inside information from the drug cartels??
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Terry28
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Oh boy!! a urinating contest....popcorn anyone??
Mexico!! Where two can live as cheaply as one.....but it costs twice as much.....
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
If crime is down, it isn't because of the hard work anyone has done. It is because a truce has been made to save Mexico from the greed it lived and
would have died by. Little by little the narcos will operate under the radar- just like before. But this time they will do so knowing they tested
the waters and won, and now they will own Mexico. |
LMFAO!!!!!! so now you have inside information from the drug cartels??
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You can't determine what is happening by listening to the same doublespeak over and over. You learn by watching actions- noting what changes and why,
and who benefits.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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djh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
The story has absolutely NOTHING to do with Baja. Acapulco is in another state, with diferent people, diferent criminals. |
Different criminals? Why different? Because they have different names?
All I'm saying is, if the method works over there, why wouldn't some home-grown criminals try it here? |
Why? because the cartels operating there are very diferent, its like comparing the Italian mafia to the Chinese triads, diferent methods, diferent way
of doing business. Guerrero is also a state with a huge sierra, large population of illiterate people, guerrillas, and a long history of rebels and
violence. Baja sur is nothing like that. |
Did you write that sober? geeesh, what a crock of bull-hockey. This is coming to Baja. We all know it and no one can stop it.
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"Coming to baja"? LOL!!!!!! maybe you have been under a rock wooosh, but it already tried to happen in Tijuana remember? last month there where 8 drug
related murders in TJ, down from what? 80???
I think we are handling it pretty well, why?
BECAUSE THIS IS NOT GUERRERO OR THE MAINLAND!!! |
Jesse,
Elite Nomad or just elitist.... Your opinions are no more accurate or valid than the other posters here who disagree with you. I welcome and value
the original post as a BCS resident and property owner. And FYI it IS related... Baja is still part of Mexico, last time I checked, and most of us
do want to be aware of such things. If you don't want to know, then move on to another thread or go burry your head in the sand . . . Or wherever
else suits you.
Its all just stuff and some numbers.
A day spent sailing isn\'t deducted from one\'s life.
Peace, Love, and Music
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Lobsterman
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http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2011/08/acapulco-update.html
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JESSE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by djh
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
The story has absolutely NOTHING to do with Baja. Acapulco is in another state, with diferent people, diferent criminals. |
Different criminals? Why different? Because they have different names?
All I'm saying is, if the method works over there, why wouldn't some home-grown criminals try it here? |
Why? because the cartels operating there are very diferent, its like comparing the Italian mafia to the Chinese triads, diferent methods, diferent way
of doing business. Guerrero is also a state with a huge sierra, large population of illiterate people, guerrillas, and a long history of rebels and
violence. Baja sur is nothing like that. |
Did you write that sober? geeesh, what a crock of bull-hockey. This is coming to Baja. We all know it and no one can stop it.
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"Coming to baja"? LOL!!!!!! maybe you have been under a rock wooosh, but it already tried to happen in Tijuana remember? last month there where 8 drug
related murders in TJ, down from what? 80???
I think we are handling it pretty well, why?
BECAUSE THIS IS NOT GUERRERO OR THE MAINLAND!!! |
Jesse,
Elite Nomad or just elitist.... Your opinions are no more accurate or valid than the other posters here who disagree with you. I welcome and value
the original post as a BCS resident and property owner. And FYI it IS related... Baja is still part of Mexico, last time I checked, and most of us
do want to be aware of such things. If you don't want to know, then move on to another thread or go burry your head in the sand . . . Or wherever
else suits you. |
1-I never said my opinion was more accurate or valid, i am having a disagreement with someone, and having a debate about it.
2-If you like or welcome the value of the original post, then good for you, but it is IS NOT related, and its not related because ITS A BAJA NEWS
section, and those news are not from BAJA. If it was related, you can post just about anything happening in Mexico here, political, financial, social,
etc etc etc there would be no end, as any major problem or news MIGHT affect us here in Baja.
3.As for your last comment, it is clear you need some constipation medicine, so lighten up!!
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JESSE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
If crime is down, it isn't because of the hard work anyone has done. It is because a truce has been made to save Mexico from the greed it lived and
would have died by. Little by little the narcos will operate under the radar- just like before. But this time they will do so knowing they tested
the waters and won, and now they will own Mexico. |
LMFAO!!!!!! so now you have inside information from the drug cartels??
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You can't determine what is happening by listening to the same doublespeak over and over. You learn by watching actions- noting what changes and why,
and who benefits. |
Its all just your grim, fatalistic, and dark opinion that mirrors something else in your life. The FACTS are there, TJ is coming back, people are
opening bussineses, most of my friends are back living in Tijuana, theres plenty of news articles in both the US and Mexico that testify to this. I go
to TJ every few months or so and the city feels like its old self again, everyone says so, friends, family.
If some people don't consider an improvement reducing murders from 15 a day, to 15 a week or whatever, then they are obviously not objective people
because of something else that is going on in their lives.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
a lot of the negative stuff you see here is just personal, not real. |
I'll have to go to Sharky's and think about that one, Jesse, although I think I know what you mean.
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comitan
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Another Blog opinion:
With all that is happening it is amazing to see how the Mexican economy continues to thrive. In the past, our biggest enemy was the U.S. economy, it
was a driver for us here. What happened there affected us here. That, I believe, is no longer true. Here are some basic facts:
Taxes collected for the first six months of this year topped 60 billion dollars, the highest recorded amount ever. An additional capital gains tax
brought in an additional 30 billion dollars.
The number of new taxpayers for the same period increased 47% since Calderon took office.
The Mexican stock market has maintained highs for over the last year regardless of Wall Streets activity.
The dollar is at it lowest point in over two years.
Mexico has cash reserves of 99 billion dollars and a debt of 212 billion, makes you wonder how the U.S. got to 13.4 trillion and we wonder who is
corrupt.
From a security standpoint the numbers are hard to arrive at. Many people here just don't report crimes for a variety of reasons. Like us, if
someone broke out a car window I wouldn't report it. I simply call my insurance company and they give me a report number that I take to the repair
shop. Shame on me as it reduces the actual number of crimes that do exist.
Stolen cars seem to be on everyone's list this year in Mexico but keep in mind some countries report over 1 million stolen vehicles a year. So we
kind of pale in comparison. On the other hand, our individual safety seems to be the number one issue. As you have probably noticed I don't mention
any group names or locations as the bad guys are now utilizing the internet as well. But, they aren't after foreigners. The total number of American
kidnapped in the last 6 years totals 120 and of that reported number 70 were involved in the trade. The rest are cases considered resolved but
suspect.
For some people who are in a mixed nationality relationship it does get scary. Being a foreigner some people assume that they have money and that
could put their loved ones at risk, although I personally have not heard of any cases like that, it is my concern on a daily basis. But as the years
go by we find that we continue to live our lives as we have over the last 26 years here. We have never heard or seen any activity and we go about
our daily business as usual.
As for peaceful demonstrations, there are always some going on. The latest yesterday to impeach the president drew a paltry 1000 people. Keep in
mind, elections are coming next year and so everyone is on the bandwagon. I take them all with a grain of salt and see no personal threat or to the
country as a whole. The elections will bring a major change in the fight against crime. I feel that the new president, pressured by congress and
their constituents, will cave into popular belief that we not use military and return to the days of turning the other way. Good or bad, I believe
it is a moral issue that will have to be dealt with.
What I find interesting though, is that the bad guys never win when confronted by the military. They lose hands down. This is what has attributed to
the 42,000 deaths since the president took office. For me, a good thing, for our friends who believe in human rights at the cost of killing the
victim, that is another story. Where is the fight going? The breakdown of major groups into smaller ones has actually created more problems. These
smaller groups have become rag-tag forces attempting to take control of major routes. They will never win but are wreaking havoc among the general
population. Give a bad guy a gun and he owns the world. On the other hand, we receive no help from our neighbors to the north, reiterating what I
have said before, we continue to receive illegal arms across the border that are sold in mass by the 6,500 new gun stores that have opened along the
border not to mention the millions of illegal substance users who continue to purchase illegal drugs.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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Woooosh
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SDUT... "Cartels Still in Control of TJ"
http://www.sandiegored.com/noticias/18267/Cartels-still-in-c...
... credits the drop in violence to an agreement between the home-grown Arellano Félix cartel and the one from Sinaloa that has divided control of the
border region.
[Edited on 9-5-2011 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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woody with a view
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Comitan, buddy. Mexico receives 2 billion dollars "HELP" from the north every year, MINIMUM! it is called the Merida Initiative. i'd call it MIERDA,
but i'm just a simple man, and that doesn't count Peso inflows from the paisa's NOB. how else is the Mex Gov't paying for the road
construction/soldiers at every checkpoint/social programs? Oil? doubtful. Tourism? haha. Better allocation of the taxes recieved? hmmmmm?
we are all in a bad sort. the "little man" is currently circling the drain, me included. understand it or drown....
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djh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
| Quote: | Originally posted by djh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
The story has absolutely NOTHING to do with Baja. Acapulco is in another state, with diferent people, diferent criminals. |
Different criminals? Why different? Because they have different names?
All I'm saying is, if the method works over there, why wouldn't some home-grown criminals try it here? |
Why? because the cartels operating there are very diferent, its like comparing the Italian mafia to the Chinese triads, diferent methods, diferent way
of doing business. Guerrero is also a state with a huge sierra, large population of illiterate people, guerrillas, and a long history of rebels and
violence. Baja sur is nothing like that. |
Did you write that sober? geeesh, what a crock of bull-hockey. This is coming to Baja. We all know it and no one can stop it.
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"Coming to baja"? LOL!!!!!! maybe you have been under a rock wooosh, but it already tried to happen in Tijuana remember? last month there where 8 drug
related murders in TJ, down from what? 80???
I think we are handling it pretty well, why?
BECAUSE THIS IS NOT GUERRERO OR THE MAINLAND!!! |
Jesse,
Elite Nomad or just elitist.... Your opinions are no more accurate or valid than the other posters here who disagree with you. I welcome and value
the original post as a BCS resident and property owner. And FYI it IS related... Baja is still part of Mexico, last time I checked, and most of us
do want to be aware of such things. If you don't want to know, then move on to another thread or go burry your head in the sand . . . Or wherever
else suits you. |
1-I never said my opinion was more accurate or valid, i am having a disagreement with someone, and having a debate about it.
2-If you like or welcome the value of the original post, then good for you, but it is IS NOT related, and its not related because ITS A BAJA NEWS
section, and those (I think you mean "that) news are (is) not from BAJA. If it was related, you can (could) post just about anything happening in
Mexico here, political, financial, social, etc etc etc there would be no end, as any major problem or news MIGHT affect us here in Baja.
3.As for your last comment, it is clear you need some constipation medicine, so lighten up!! |
sooooo Ok:
1. . . and I didn't say you said it... You don't need to... Your chronic ad-noseum posting of your self righteous opinions really needs no
explanation.
2. Who made you the Nomad Police? As much as you've pontificated on this thread, and how it doesn't relate to Baja (Tijuana, your friends, BCS, etc.,
etc.) I think it hypocritical to say this isn't Baja related and then continue to stir yer own turd... Speaking of "no end"....
3. . . And speaking of constipation, you're clearly way ahead of me in the F.O.S. Department . . Better eat some of yer own cookin' there chef.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who gets tired of the same dozen or so arrogant, know-it-all bullies on BajaNomad.... I have to say it feels ok to tell
at least one (in a slightly more mild way) to STFU.
Its all just stuff and some numbers.
A day spent sailing isn\'t deducted from one\'s life.
Peace, Love, and Music
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JESSE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by djh
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
| Quote: | Originally posted by djh
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
The story has absolutely NOTHING to do with Baja. Acapulco is in another state, with diferent people, diferent criminals. |
Different criminals? Why different? Because they have different names?
All I'm saying is, if the method works over there, why wouldn't some home-grown criminals try it here? |
Why? because the cartels operating there are very diferent, its like comparing the Italian mafia to the Chinese triads, diferent methods, diferent way
of doing business. Guerrero is also a state with a huge sierra, large population of illiterate people, guerrillas, and a long history of rebels and
violence. Baja sur is nothing like that. |
Did you write that sober? geeesh, what a crock of bull-hockey. This is coming to Baja. We all know it and no one can stop it.
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"Coming to baja"? LOL!!!!!! maybe you have been under a rock wooosh, but it already tried to happen in Tijuana remember? last month there where 8 drug
related murders in TJ, down from what? 80???
I think we are handling it pretty well, why?
BECAUSE THIS IS NOT GUERRERO OR THE MAINLAND!!! |
Jesse,
Elite Nomad or just elitist.... Your opinions are no more accurate or valid than the other posters here who disagree with you. I welcome and value
the original post as a BCS resident and property owner. And FYI it IS related... Baja is still part of Mexico, last time I checked, and most of us
do want to be aware of such things. If you don't want to know, then move on to another thread or go burry your head in the sand . . . Or wherever
else suits you. |
1-I never said my opinion was more accurate or valid, i am having a disagreement with someone, and having a debate about it.
2-If you like or welcome the value of the original post, then good for you, but it is IS NOT related, and its not related because ITS A BAJA NEWS
section, and those (I think you mean "that) news are (is) not from BAJA. If it was related, you can (could) post just about anything happening in
Mexico here, political, financial, social, etc etc etc there would be no end, as any major problem or news MIGHT affect us here in Baja.
3.As for your last comment, it is clear you need some constipation medicine, so lighten up!! |
sooooo Ok:
1. . . and I didn't say you said it... You don't need to... Your chronic ad-noseum posting of your self righteous opinions really needs no
explanation.
2. Who made you the Nomad Police? As much as you've pontificated on this thread, and how it doesn't relate to Baja (Tijuana, your friends, BCS, etc.,
etc.) I think it hypocritical to say this isn't Baja related and then continue to stir yer own turd... Speaking of "no end"....
3. . . And speaking of constipation, you're clearly way ahead of me in the F.O.S. Department . . Better eat some of yer own cookin' there chef.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who gets tired of the same dozen or so arrogant, know-it-all bullies on BajaNomad.... I have to say it feels ok to tell
at least one (in a slightly more mild way) to STFU. |
I see your profile claims your a counselor and mediator? well, i am just a chef, and like most chefs, i am a little crazy. I was going to give you a
tough, long, scolding response, but you know what? ther is no need for that.
That group of "arrogant, know-it-all bullies" are not "arrogant, know-it-all bullies", they are simply a bunch of guys and gals that collectively have
traveled this peninsula like very few people on this earth have, that have lived here enough time to know who the fathers of the locals are, and have
friends all over the place who are retired here, who are fishermen, who are police, who are politicians, who are carpenters, who are military, who are
taco vendors, etc etc. The "bullies" like you claim, know baja, and not just because they say so, but because since the amigos board, they have posted
proven, worth while, accurate information about the ins and outs of the peninsula. Something that those that don't like them, never or rarely do.
I am just one of the few mexican voices here, i always felt it was important to have a mexican perspective here. Some dont like it, some would love
this to be an all non mexican board so they could truly bully those that really know their stuff simply by saying, "your just like me" "your opinion
is not better than mine". Many times having a local telling it like it is and showing that these "arrogants" are correct, really angers some. But that
is not my problem, its theirs. Over the years, in security matters related to baja, i have a pretty good record, predicted the cartel war in TJ from
2006 to 2010, predicted its end, posted about Tijuana coming back, and now major newspapers all over the US are writting about a Tijuana comeback. I
am not saying i am great, i am perfect, i know it all, i am just saying in security matters i know my stuff. If you have to ask why or how, then you
havent been long enough on this board. In my line of work we get to make friends with the people who run the state, who know whats going on, and all i
do is pass on the info i get from these guys to nomads. If i get a little inflexible about my opinions, you have to understand me, its because its
hard to not defend what you heard from the top head of a police agency about the situation here in baja, against what a guy from who knows where
thinks it is.
Everybody that knows me personally, knows i am a simple man, no arrogance here at all, i am just a nomad, a mexican born here in baja, that happens to
have a job where i can get valuable info to my friends. Those that don't want to take it, thats fine, but they are not going to stop me just because
they don't like me.
Cheers!!
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Lobsterman
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Jesse,
Since most of these important baja people, police chiefs, politicians and the likes are probably corrupt and take brides how can you trust what they
say? They are probably using you as a pawn to pass on disinformation they want others to hear to further their corrupt interprises. Look how you
screwed the original owner (RIP) of the restaurant you now own with help from those corrupt ones.
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gnukid
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It's seems a bit odd to me that while most Nomads are apparently over 55 or so, often retired people, that most should be able to recall clearly, the
history of the world, namely aggressions in Laos under the guise of the war in Viet Nam, with a vast network built by Richard Secord and CIA/Military
for running drugs, often heroin. But they don't.
Or perhaps the Church investigations which were well publicized Senate level investigations which investigated the secret aggressions of the USA, all
illegal and numbering in the thousands.
More commonly people may recall Iran Contra where Reagan was found to have lied or "he didn't know" that his own team were illegally trading vast
overpriced weapons caches for money that was washed through drug sales for the purpose of funding terrorism or as some would phrase rebels or freedom
fighters. In the end under any analysis these are all aggressions against people, most often poor people, all for profit while so many people die,
often many children.
Most also know of the aggressions in Iraq, now shown to a miscommunication or lie, and now 10 years in Afghanistan, and so many deaths all for the
resources of drugs and oil and others metals, and treasures, billions of dollars of profit made in illegal wars that do not help people, they are
designed to kill people, the citizens are the primary targets of these aggressions.
Now, it's odd with the knowledge and awareness of thousands of illegal aggressions, well documented and publicized if anyone was paying attention,
now, Nomads with full awareness of the world around them, one which they participate in and support, now they would prefer to insult each other and
make childish insinuations as opposed to fact driven dialogue, discussion about real solutions to end the criminal exploitation of countries around
the world for nothing more than the profit of a billions and trillions while so many innocent people suffer and die.
What possible justification or purpose does it serve to attack neighbors instead of the guilty parties.
What are solutions to the proliferation of militarized industrial drug running secret military operations that hurt innocent neighbors while profiting
a few?
How is it possible that those who served, those who lived through this are in denial of the facts about who, what and where while it is printed in
text books, senate testimony and would have been or should have been common knowledge to each Nomad?
Some of the very participants have spoken loudly to ask the people to stand up and participate in solutions, such as Eisnenhower speech about the
military industrial complex, JFK speech about secrecy, and MLK.
At some points, I get the feeling that some Nomads have selective memory, or perhaps no memory at all about the last 60 years, or perhaps would prefer
to live in denial of the world that we live in and how it works.
It seems far more productive and exciting to live in the world that exists and participate in that world instead of an imaginary one that denies or
dismisses the transgressions of the CIA over the last 50 years, not so unlike it's counterparts in other parts of the world who run amok without laws,
and causing destruction for their private gain.
[Edited on 9-6-2011 by gnukid]
[Edited on 9-6-2011 by gnukid]
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Where did this come from? This thread is about the sad state of affairs in Mexico, with the teachers being extorted and certain Nomads distorting the
facts of what is actually happening in Baja.
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