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Mulegena
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajatripper
While I won't argue that the military can have their waywith us, if they should choose to do so, when was the last time they checked your tourist
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It's not about what has not happened or the last time, it's what could happen the next time |
If the military
found reason to detain you they might get around to asking for your credentials, true.
However, its at crossings with an Immigration Station where we might certainly anticipate inspection-- by an immigration officer, not military
personnel.
Again, does anyone know the purpose of this new checkpoint? Is it military or immigration?
"Raise your words, not your voice. It's rain that grows flowers, not thunder." ~Rumi
"It's the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~ Aristotle
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Bajatripper
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajatripper
While I won't argue that the military can have their waywith us, if they should choose to do so, when was the last time they checked your tourist
status? |
It's not about what has not happened or the last time, it's what could happen the next time |
So in other words, you've never had your tourist status checked at a military checkpoint. I didn't think so.
In fourty five years of traveling throughout Mexico, traversing many, many military checkpoints, me either.
Base on that experience, I'm willing to go out on a limb here and say the Mexican military doesn't give a hoot about immigration status, whether I'm
from Kansas or not.
There most certainly is but one side to every story: the TRUTH. Variations of it are nothing but lies.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajatripper
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajatripper
While I won't argue that the military can have their waywith us, if they should choose to do so, when was the last time they checked your tourist
status? |
It's not about what has not happened or the last time, it's what could happen the next time |
So in other words, you've never had your tourist status checked at a military checkpoint. I didn't think so.
In fourty five years of traveling throughout Mexico, traversing many, many military checkpoints, me either.
Base on that experience, I'm willing to go out on a limb here and say the Mexican military doesn't give a hoot about immigration status, whether I'm
from Kansas or not. |
Same here... It is not their responsibility and they have no procedure for doing it. Anyway, why worry... none of us go to Baja without proper
papers... right??? 
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LaTijereta
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mulegena
Again, does anyone know the purpose of this new checkpoint? Is it military or immigration? |
My thoughts would be a southbound Federal Hwy Patrol point to check vehical registrations (similar to one they have had just north at the water park
outside Manedero)..
It has been completed now for over 6 months, but maybe hungout there due to "politics" involved
Will be driving south again on Monday, and will send along any updates...
Democracy is like two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
Ben Franklin (1759)
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Pescador
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It is supposed to be a military checkpoint and the guys who are operating the temporary checkpoint further south told me that they were still waiting
for electricity to be hooked up before making it operational. They indicated that it would be set up to handle both North and South bound traffic
depending on their "orders from headquarters".
There seems to be some confusion about job descriptions. Military is trying to get a handle on drug traffic and smuggling operations. There
instructions come from the government department of the military. They would have to get orders from the government to check immigration papers but
that has not happened yet and they would have to be trained in terms of what to look for.
Immigration is the governmental agency involved in immigration and the ones who issue visas and other permits. They do have the authority to have
you sent and held in jail if you do not have the proper permits. The office at Guerrero Negro is at the checkpoint but it is not normally manned as
far as checking immigration papers. We had a guy who showed up on a motorcycle in Santa Rosalia and he wanted a visa so that he could cross on the
ferry. He had not gotten a tourist visa at the border but he needed one to get on the ferry to Guaymas. They told him he had to pay a 500 peso fine
since he was there without the proper paperwork. He refused and raised a little hell, but the police had been called and when he went to leave after
telling the immigration people what he thought of them, he was detained by the municipal police. He quickly found out that it was cheaper to pay the
fine, get his visa, and leave on the ferry, than it was to pay for release of jail, storage of his motorcycle, and assorted other charges.
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bajaboolie
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We drove through on Friday Oct 15th, and it was not yet operational.
Pescador looks right...there is a military checkpoint not far south, so I guessed this is going to take its place.
Bajaboolie
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vandy
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Still inactive as of Nov 3, but two checkpoints DID give a cursory search on the way south this time.
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Bajahowodd
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"There seems to be some confusion about job descriptions. Military is trying to get a handle on drug traffic and smuggling operations. There
instructions come from the government department of the military. They would have to get orders from the government to check immigration papers but
that has not happened yet and they would have to be trained in terms of what to look for."
In a way, it is not unlike what happens in the US. Aside from the few states that have gotten their panties in a bunch about illegals, fact is that
each branch of government, and each branch of law enforcement has their own specific responsibilities.
Having never been asked about my immigration status at an army checkpoint, I'm fairly certain that they have not been charged with that
responsibility.
That said, I cannot totally dismiss the idea, as stated by Bajaguy, that guys with guns can do whatever they want to do.
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windgrrl
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Passed through on the weekend. The sign says it is a military checkpoint. It is not operational and there was a checkpoint just prior to this site.
When the way comes to an end, then change. Having changed, you pass through.
~ I-Ching
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Marinero
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Last trip down (mid-October) we were asked for FM's by the military once and for driver's license (driver only) once. The soldier wrote information
into a tally sheet and was very professional and civil. Don't remember exactly which checkpoints, but they were mid-penninsula.
Si estás buscando la person que cambiará su vida, échale una mirada en el espejo.
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mulegejim
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Marinero
Last trip down (mid-October) we were asked for FM's by the military once and for driver's license (driver only) once. The soldier wrote information
into a tally sheet and was very professional and civil. Don't remember exactly which checkpoints, but they were mid-penninsula.
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I was asked for my passport at several military checkpoints on my last trip to Mulege and back in October. It appeared the reason for asking was to
make it easier to enter my name and possibly address into some sheet that was being compiled. Actually let them use the passport a couple of times and
my FM-3 a couple of times. Don't believe they were really checking for the documents just trying to make it easier for them to copy whatever
information they needed for their report. Jim
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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Get Ready For A "Solo Sonora" Like Car Permit System
Life is getting more complicated. The next pres is set to enable the permit system.
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rts551
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DavidE
Life is getting more complicated. The next pres is set to enable the permit system. |
Where did you here this?
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