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surfer jim
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| Quote: | soulpatch...
I, too, read these stories a bit differently after our last trip. Having a lone soldier making awkward conversation pull his handgun out and start
playing with it while my kids were snorkeling just north of La Gringa has given us pause. |
That sounds disturbing......can you give any further details of what happend?
[Edited on 10-21-2011 by surfer jim]
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Woooosh
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Violent home invasion crimes are up in Rosarito Beach to 12 a month.
http://www.frontera.info/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/Policiaca/2110...
"He noted that the number of murders committed in Rosarito (34 up to October 11, 2011 according to Semefo), is very high in proportion to other
municipalities in the state, such as Tijuana."
[Edited on 10-21-2011 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Mengano
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Maybe Krafty should raise the height of the wall around his Rosarito house?
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JESSE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mengano
Maybe Krafty should raise the height of the wall around his Rosarito house? |
Are you the idiot fulano?
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redmesa
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I want to put a sign out "ROB ME IF YOU MUST BUT WAIT TILL I AM GONE". We have so little for which to fight.
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sanquintinsince73
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Violent home invasion crimes are up in Rosarito Beach to 12 a month.
http://www.frontera.info/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/Policiaca/2110...
"He noted that the number of murders committed in Rosarito (34 up to October 11, 2011 according to Semefo), is very high in proportion to other
municipalities in the state, such as Tijuana."
[Edited on 10-21-2011 by Woooosh] |
I've noticed that kidnappings and executions are on the rise in TJ also.
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Dave
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Be careful for what you wish
| Quote: | Originally posted by redmesa
I want to put a sign out "ROB ME IF YOU MUST BUT WAIT TILL I AM GONE". We have so little for which to fight. |
I have a friend who was so worried about his dog being stolen that he attached a tag with recompensa and his telephone # to the dog's collar.
Guess what happened next. 
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Violent home invasion crimes are up in Rosarito Beach to 12 a month.
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The law is wrong. It says, in so many words, that we are not allowed to protect ourselves.
A very vocal, concerted effort to change that law would save a lot of people a lot of grief.
Problem is, we have made every effort to sequester ourselves in our quest for seclusion, that we end up with no government advocates..........we
have no voice in government issues.
We must impress the government of our need for self protection. If that is still denied, we must consider our worth in this country.
Only the most sordo mudo of expats will turn their backs on this thought.
How do we go about forming this initiative? Any ideas?
I'm all in with all I can add to it.
C'mon folks. We bend over backward to help others here........so why can't we do the same for ourselves?
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Violent home invasion crimes are up in Rosarito Beach to 12 a month.
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The law is wrong. It says, in so many words, that we are not allowed to protect ourselves.
A very vocal, concerted effort to change that law would save a lot of people a lot of grief.
Problem is, we have made every effort to sequester ourselves in our quest for seclusion, that we end up with no government advocates..........we
have no voice in government issues.
We must impress the government of our need for self protection. If that is still denied, we must consider our worth in this country.
Only the most sordo mudo of expats will turn their backs on this thought.
How do we go about forming this initiative? Any ideas?
I'm all in with all I can add to it.
C'mon folks. We bend over backward to help others here........so why can't we do the same for ourselves? |
easiest route is to go through the FRAO office in the Rosarito Palacio- that's what it's there for.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Bajafun777
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The laws are too soft on the criminals in Mexico that do crimes against others especially if they kill someone. Mexico needs to start putting these
killers to death and stop looking for this life in prison B.S., as it is just not working. I do not know anyone that has been executed that ever
harmed another child,woman or man! Just put these crazy killers in coffins where they belong!!
Just hate reading about people who just wanted to be left alone to enjoy life while helping others being killed by these scumbags!! Hope everyone
watches a little closer and takes more precautions while in Mexico. Take Care & Travel Safe-- "No Hurry, No Worry, Just FUN"
bajafun777
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sanquintinsince73
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Violent home invasion crimes are up in Rosarito Beach to 12 a month.
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The law is wrong. It says, in so many words, that we are not allowed to protect ourselves.
A very vocal, concerted effort to change that law would save a lot of people a lot of grief.
Problem is, we have made every effort to sequester ourselves in our quest for seclusion, that we end up with no government advocates..........we
have no voice in government issues.
We must impress the government of our need for self protection. If that is still denied, we must consider our worth in this country.
Only the most sordo mudo of expats will turn their backs on this thought.
How do we go about forming this initiative? Any ideas?
I'm all in with all I can add to it.
C'mon folks. We bend over backward to help others here........so why can't we do the same for ourselves? |
You are so right-on in your comment, Dennis. Sometimes I liken the Mexican populace to sheep being herded around by nasty, greedy politicos looking
out for their own interests rather than the people they were elected to serve. The basic right to protect oneself does not exist in Mexico. My wife
told me once of a man preparing to go sell his wares at the swat-meet in TJ around 3:00 am. From inside the house his son heard an altercation and ran
outside to see his father being physically assaulted by a would-be robber. The son jumped in to help his father and when the bad guy drew a knife, the
son was able to disarm him and the bad guy ended up being stabbed. Long story short, the son went to prison. What the hell is this crap??
Someone here had as a quote: "We sleep good in our beds because rough men stand ready to visit violence.....". Well, I sleep good at night because I
have that basic right to visit violence by whatever means to anyone that would harm me or mine.
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sanquintinsince73
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The laws in Mexico are what they are and I do not see them being changed anytime soon. There was alot of rhetoric in the Mexican senate about having a
death penalty but that's as far as it went, just talk. I am a strong supporter of our second amendment but I do not believe that we need people
running around with high-power semi-automatic weapons.
I grew up in East Los Angeles and every single house in our block had been broken into. Ours was the only place with never a break-in. Why? Because it
was common knowledge that my dad had weapons at home. Sometime I stay with some of my wife's relatives in Tijuana and I once asked her cousin where he
keeps his baseball bat for home protection. He replied that if ever they have an intruder, they would not offer resistance because you will go to
prison if you harm someone while protecting your family. What the hell is this sh*t?
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desertcpl
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Exactly what I have been saying for a long time about MX,
Citizens need to be able own guns and protect themselves
the Law's need to be changed to allow swift punishment for these creeps and a swift in most cases the Death penalty
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I grew up in East Los Angeles and every single house in our block had been broken into. Ours was the only place with never a break-in. Why? Because it
was common knowledge that my dad had weapons at home. Sometime I stay with some of my wife's relatives in Tijuana and I once asked her cousin where he
keeps his baseball bat for home protection. He replied that if ever they have an intruder, they would not offer resistance because you will go to
prison if you harm someone while protecting your family. What the hell is this sh*t?
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David K
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Sorry that happened to you guys Frank... Kind of sours the milk when crap picks on you like that! After people known to our son were kidnapped at the
'07 Baja 1000 (pulling the McMillin race trailer north from Ensenada), we took a break from Baja and toured some of the USA the next couple of
vacations.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by soulpatch
So, for what it's worth there is a Reader's Digest synopsis of what has becoming a defining event for our retirement planning.
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Does this mean you're having second thoughts, Frank? Couldn't blame you if you were.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by soulpatch
Sounds pretty sissified, doesn't it!
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Not in the least. It sounds well thought out, and I'm glad for you and your family that you got to exercise your options without being commited here
only to have serious regrets.
Carolinas are nice. Go for it.
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baja1943
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Good move soulpatch. Unlike CA, NC Honors the Castle Doctrine and has less restrictive CCW laws.
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Barry A.
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SoulPatch--------I totally understand your thinking, and support your decision. It is beautiful in the Carolina's, too.
Barry
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DianaT
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Soulpatch
Being older and retired and having a second home that we like in a place we completely enjoy is so very different than moving your entire
family--children and all.
In your position, I would also have MAJOR second thoughts at this time.
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jakecard
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If you like summer humidity, lots of snakes, mosquitoes and bugs out-the-ying-yang then I have the "perfect" country place for you just 18 miles north
of Wilmington, NC, soulpatch. So let me know.
Back on topic, each new report of a beating, robbery or death slaps us awake. Baja is not a utopia. And life doesn't play out like a "dream." Not in
Mexico, not in the U.S.A., not anywhere. Whackos exist, and they strike capriciously everywhere. My thoughts go out to the Frey family for their
tragic, senseless loss.
So how do we protect ourselves in Baja? Get a gun and risk getting caught, jailed and deported? What then? Don't get a gun but find yourself needing
it? What then? Get a gun, use it, kill someone and . . . what then?
There are no satisfactory answers. And to be sure a one-size-fits-all solution doesn't exist anymore than our ability to plan for every possible
contingency.
But we can, like Mr. Frey, follow our individual path and choose to live life to the fullest.
The following well-known prayer seems appropriate:
"God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference."
Best to all,
Jake
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