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Floatflyer
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Mexicio Ted & dtbushpilot: X2
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MexicoTed
Plus, from what I understand he could have gotten 8 years in Guatemala |
25% of the population of Guatamala is dead...25% are Guats and the remaining idiots are CIA. Everybody is armed.
Sr. Hammar was probably hoping to sign on for some Merc action.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by MexicoTed
Plus, from what I understand he could have gotten 8 years in Guatemala |
25% of the population of Guatamala is dead...25% are Guats and the remaining idiots are CIA. Everybody is armed.
Sr. Hammar was probably hoping to sign on for some Merc action. |
 the car or the outboard?
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by willardguy
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by MexicoTed
Plus, from what I understand he could have gotten 8 years in Guatemala |
25% of the population of Guatamala is dead...25% are Guats and the remaining idiots are CIA. Everybody is armed.
Sr. Hammar was probably hoping to sign on for some Merc action. |
the car or the outboard? |
Mercenary!!! You know waddImeen. 
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by captkw
Talk about screwing a us marine !!! I'm glad he is out after wht 4, 5 months chaind to the ....K&T |
he was a knucklehead to do what he did. sorry he had to sit in jail. maybe next time he will think ahead! there are many signs at border saying "no
guns." and anyone planning to cross several borders on way to costa rica should be doing their homework and learning that guns for tourists typically
are not allowed in any of those countries.
re the story that authorities told him it was ok,... not believable. he broke the law, and lawbreakers often spin a yarn to get out of jail.
p.s. still scratching my head, why does it matter if he was a marine? we should support our troops, but not when they are knuckleheads!
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Imagine for a moment what it might be like if you didn't think packing heat was an essential part of your life. 
I know this is a foreign or strange concept for some, and someone will throw out the "amendment rights" , etc argument....
But if you look around, a lot of folks don't really need or use their illegally imported ordinance in Baja ....they just talk like they do 
I know this will upset a few Nomads....but someone has to say it. 
Don't believe everything you think....
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
he was a knucklehead to do what he did. sorry he had to sit in jail. maybe next time he will think ahead! |
You are avoiding one salient point...the point that is so disturbing, that Mexico goes out of her way to treat the US as her ongoing enemy in spite of
the benefits derived from our system and people. Sometimes I have the feeling that I'm living in Palistine.
Cases, such as this should be treated with cooperative sensitivity, not as border incursions with intent to disrupt society or commit harmful crimes.
If the US took that stance, the border would be a awash in blood.
I know all of this animosity from Mexico was born and nurtured in history, but we should be moving on from that mindset, not keeping it alive as in a
vindetta.
How long will Mexico keep blaming Americans of today for the sins of their ancestors only to keep their populace whipped into a frenzy of hatred for
their northern neighbor rather than directing their rath toward the real cause of their problems.....their own government.?
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
Imagine for a moment what it might be like if you didn't think packing heat was an essential part of your life. |
Sadly, Canadians have it easier in the world as they travel...
Nut-jobs don't pick on Canadians to be held hostage or assassinated, they pick out Americans. Being armed might have stemmed from the cowboy days of
our past, but it still is seen as a need for survival by many Americans, and rightly so.
I have heard of American tourists who put a red maple leaf on their back pack or hats... just to keep from getting shot or kidnapped. Thank goodness
your accent isn't too different than ours, eh? 
[Edited on 12-23-2012 by David K]
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
he was a knucklehead to do what he did. sorry he had to sit in jail. maybe next time he will think ahead! |
You are avoiding one salient point...the point that is so disturbing, that Mexico goes out of her way to treat the US as her ongoing enemy in spite of
the benefits derived from our system and people. Sometimes I have the feeling that I'm living in Palistine.
Cases, such as this should be treated with cooperative sensitivity, not as border incursions with intent to disrupt society or commit harmful crimes.
If the US took that stance, the border would be a awash in blood.
I know all of this animosity from Mexico was born and nurtured in history, but we should be moving on from that mindset, not keeping it alive as in a
vindetta.
How long will Mexico keep blaming Americans of today for the sins of their ancestors only to keep their populace whipped into a frenzy of hatred for
their northern neighbor rather than directing their rath toward the real cause of their problems.....their own government.? |
perhaps you don't get it: gringos are smuggling guns into mexico to sell them to cartels. gringo appetite for drugs sustains the cartel violence.
many gringo right wing nuts daily say horrible bigoted things about mexicans.
re subject of this thread, mexicans are not going to welcome you with open arms when you take a gun to mexico
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motoged
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David and NRA,
Have you ever wondered how/why the "Americans" attracted such attention? I find it despicable that "Americans" traveling abroad misrepresent
themselves as Canadians....too bad their own flag sometimes attracts such sentiments abroad
It says something about one's country when you hide from being identified with it ...
It is so sad to think that you need a gun to survive....what a culture of fear that comes from.
I think it has a lot more to do with an attitude/consciousness developed beyond the influences of a John Wayne movie....
Read some history regarding the fall of the Roman empire....some scarey parallels going on.
Season's Greetings (aside from the mass shootings going on )...
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Sadly, Canadians have it easier in the world as they travel...
Nut-jobs don't pick on Canadians to be held hostage or assassinated, they pick out Americans. Being armed might have stemmed from the cowboy days of
our past, but it still is seen as a need for survival by many Americans, and rightly so.
I have heard of American tourists who put a red maple leaf on their back pack or hats... just to keep from getting shot or kidnapped. Thank goodness
your accent isn't too different than ours, eh?
[Edited on 12-23-2012 by David K] |
Don't believe everything you think....
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Anybody think that our Middle East policies, starting with the Shah,Egypt, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. and policing the world, has gained us as many
friends as we had after WW11?
Just noted that with this post I reached the benchmark of 100 posts. Sad it had to be this topic
[Edited on 12-23-2012 by Floatflyer]
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willardguy
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interesting. how do you think this would have played out with jon being a canadian
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motoged
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| Quote: | Originally posted by willardguy
interesting. how do you think this would have played out with jon being a canadian |
Just another stupid guy with a gun at a border crossing regardless of
nationality....
Don't believe everything you think....
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
perhaps you don't get it: gringos are smuggling guns into mexico to sell them to cartels.
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Other than Eric Holder [is he a gringo?] give me a reference as to your claim. Just one.
| Quote: | | gringo appetite for drugs sustains the cartel violence. |
A bloated supply of drugs from Mexico sustains the appetite.
| Quote: | many gringo right wing nuts daily say horrible bigoted things about mexicans.
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Well...shame on those naughty people. That isn't very nice...is it.
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[Edited on 12-23-2012 by DENNIS]
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"It is so sad to think that you need a gun to survive....what a culture of fear that comes from."
Think of it more like insurance. Do you NEED insurance on your boat, your house or your car? Some might say no.
But it sure is nice to have it when you REALLY need it. You only live once.
Personally, I think the guy was a nitwit and I'd like to see the sources of the "US media" who claimed he "had done everything right" to cross with a
gun. He obviously hadn't. Whomever told him he had is a bigger nitwit. Taking even a hunting gun into Mexico involves lots of red tape, importing
agents, sponsorships, etc., in many cases.
A defense like "it was a family heirloom" and "he did everything right" sounds like the indignant fluff that Fox, O'Reilly and their ilk use to
sensationalize their stories.
You know, get that "outrage factor" nice and high when the rest of the world doesnt think and act like America even in their own country. 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
Imagine for a moment what it might be like if you didn't think packing heat was an essential part of your life.
I know this is a foreign or strange concept for some, and someone will throw out the "amendment rights" , etc argument....
But if you look around, a lot of folks don't really need or use their illegally imported ordinance in Baja ....they just talk like they do
I know this will upset a few Nomads....but someone has to say it.
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Not all of us have that macho, badass, imposing presence with that confident "don't mess with me" swagger that you possess ged...
It's no wonder that you have never felt the need to "pack heat".....
[Edited on 12-23-2012 by dtbushpilot]
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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Doing the Homework
Aside from the fact that it's interesting that those who often whine about people running afoul of laws they were unaware of seem to be quick to jump
on the (ex) Marine's behind, it might be worth noting that other Americans constantly get hung up by the Canuckians for bringing weapons along that
they thought were supposedly legal.
The difference, of course, is that the Canucks (odd as they are) actually have a legal system (based on English Law) that isn't (for the most part)
corrupt and the penalties suffered by the ignorant Gringos are usually minor.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by dtbushpilot
| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
Imagine for a moment what it might be like if you didn't think packing heat was an essential part of your life.
I know this is a foreign or strange concept for some, and someone will throw out the "amendment rights" , etc argument....
But if you look around, a lot of folks don't really need or use their illegally imported ordinance in Baja ....they just talk like they do
I know this will upset a few Nomads....but someone has to say it.
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Not all of us have that macho, badass, imposing presence with that confident "don't mess with me" swagger that you possess ged...
It's no wonder that you have never felt the need to "pack heat".....
[Edited on 12-23-2012 by dtbushpilot] |
"God created man, but Samuel Colt made them equal"
Maybe this hundred plus year old saying has something to do with the gun toting today. Been proven valid thousands of times since.
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Deterrence, Defense and Discretion
Having a LONG history of packing North and South of the border, the key is knowing when to take that Last
Resort.
Is, literally, when it's the Best (Bad) Choice left.
Especially in Mex, where your ONLY recourse would be to make sure that you Killed everybody who could be a threat.
And, then make tracks as far away as possible and dispose of the gun (where it won't be found) as quick as possible along with discarding any clothing
that might have GSR and scrubbing down well with a good solvent. Gasoline works.
Keeping in mind what would be necessary in the last resort and acting with the necessary prudence that dictates, you should be OK.
Maybe.
There's always that random (thorough) search which almost ended life as I knew it.
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motoged
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Mr. Bill,
Damn !!!! For once I agree with you (odd as I am )
| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Aside from the fact that it's interesting that those who often whine about people running afoul of laws they were unaware of seem to be quick to jump
on the (ex) Marine's behind, it might be worth noting that other Americans constantly get hung up by the Canuckians for bringing weapons along that
they thought were supposedly legal.
The difference, of course, is that the Canucks (odd as they are) actually have a legal system (based on English Law) that isn't (for the most part)
corrupt and the penalties suffered by the ignorant Gringos are usually minor. |
[Edited on 12-24-2012 by motoged]
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