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BajaBlanca
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http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html
Bomberro, i agree with all ypur statements except that the US does not recognize dual nationality! See the link to the state dept. notice above.
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CortezBlue
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I am hearing more an more folks in Mexico that applied for Mexican citizenship, received it, and getting, shall we say, uncomfortable issues regarding
getting a foreign citizenship and not being naturally born or a child of a natural born Mexicano
I am in the same position and I can get. My citizenship, but decided to wait til the fall when we see what happens with Article 27 and the Mexican
senate
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shari
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Mood: there is no reality except the one contained within us "Herman Hesse"
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the way I heard it is that if you get your mexican citizenship...you are Mexican while you are in Mexico....and american in the states...so if you get
in trouble in Mexico...you get dealt with like a Mexican and the US consulate cannot aid you...wonder if that in fact happens? would the consulate say
sorry no can do if you call for help?
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Bomberro
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Shari we were told that while in Mexico we would be giving up our US protections just before we took the oath to become Mexicans. We had not read the
same notice that Baja Banca posted and if we had read this sentence, " In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply
for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship." We might have never gone through the
process. We of course had no intention of ever giving up our US Citizenship, still, the wording of that sentence is scary to say the least. The Border
Patrol Agent that told us the United States does not recognize 'dual citizenship' was not really correct, but, its a matter of what the dual part
means and for sure you lose some of the consulate protections while in Mexico. The two countries legal systems are drastically different.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CortezBlue
I am in the same position and I can get. My citizenship, but decided to wait til the fall when we see what happens with Article 27 and the Mexican
senate |
I still haven't heard one good argument as to why? Why would anyone go through all of this if it isn't necessary? To save money on taxes?
Actually, I think most who would go through all of this do it because they think it's "Cool", when in actuality, I believe it's because many are
trying to be something they're not, nor ever will be.....Mexican.
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DaliDali
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
the way I heard it is that if you get your mexican citizenship...you are Mexican while you are in Mexico....and american in the states...so if you get
in trouble in Mexico...you get dealt with like a Mexican and the US consulate cannot aid you...wonder if that in fact happens? would the consulate say
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If a person calls the US Embassy for help in any form......would they even know you hold Mexican citizenship as well as US?
On that call for help, if you gave your US passport number, would it ding the MX system and blink flashing red lights that you hold MX citizenship as
well?
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DaliDali
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by CortezBlue
I am in the same position and I can get. My citizenship, but decided to wait til the fall when we see what happens with Article 27 and the Mexican
senate |
I still haven't heard one good argument as to why? Why would anyone go through all of this if it isn't necessary? To save money on taxes?
Actually, I think most who would go through all of this do it because they think it's "Cool", when in actuality, I believe it's because many are
trying to be something they're not, nor ever will be.....Mexican. |
I do believe a benefit of holding MX citizenship would be to throw away the land trust and get a real deed.
But that might be now moot, if the current legislation to change this is implemented.
However, to your way of thinking....this will never happen.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
However, to your way of thinking....this will never happen. |
Well....I won't be holding my breath. You , however, have my full support should you decide to do so.
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BajaBlanca
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In my case, I wanted to become a citizen for many reasons...I am very involved in the community and it meant a lot to the Mexicans that I became a
citizen. Heck, one of the first things I did was vote.
Yes, land was put in my name, much less expensive than fideicomisos all over the place.
and I wanted to have the backyard school to teach English - it took all of 30 minutes as a citizen to do this in La Paz. And it was free. Have you
any idea of the diffuculty, time and expense Les went to to set up the corporation for the B&B???? Don't even go there.
Being that I have been a dual national since I was born, I see no big deal. If I am in Brazil, I sure better be obeying the law. If I am in Mexico, I
sure better be obeying the law. and it goes without saying that the same is true for me in the U.S. of A.
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Lee
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Ask those who've become nationals and they might say they're proud to be a MX citizen. I've thought about it for a long time and sure it's cool,
to me, but I think I'd feel a connection as a citizen that I don't feel now. I bet Shari's proud, and Juan's proud of her too. Bet Blanca's
proud. I like it.
If I were to spend all or most of my time in MX, I'd be more motivated. Why does anyone want to be a citizen anywhere?
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DaliDali
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
However, to your way of thinking....this will never happen. |
Well....I won't be holding my breath. You , however, have my full support should you decide to do so. |
Have you ever considered Cynicalstan for citizenship?
Oh wait......Negativesville might suit you better.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
Oh wait......Negativesville might suit you better. |
Really??? What are the advantages??
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Bomberro
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We changed to an escritura several years ago and just sold the home of 20 years. We paid no taxes. Our original Fidio was a joke on the price of
purchase price, it showed 1,000 us as the price! We would have been looking a a very large capitol gains tax. We saved all those FM fees, Fido fees,
driving to La Paz at least twice for the FM's, our water bill was discounted 50%, our already low property taxes the same. No forms to fill out when
flying out, walk past all the tourists comming in and flash the Mexican Passport at the Nationals only booth. We gained a bit of respect from our many
Mexicans friends, hola Piasano! Each trip down and back no tourist fees to pay. I have not tried to add it all up as we did our citizenship about 7
years ago. The flustrations we saved were immense!
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Dennis? It's Monday Mon....
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by chuckie
Dennis? It's Monday Mon.... |
OhhhmyyyGAwwwwd....you're right, Chuckie. Thanks for reminding me. 
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