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The liberal legislators don't want no stinkin fence!!
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That's only part of it. It's just as much what Mexico wants that is guiding these decisions.
Have you ever heard them cry about the gravity of insult that the mere mention of a fence brings? Why.....it's just plain unneighborly. How dare we
consider such a thing!!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
After all, one does have to be a citizen to vote yeah? |
Not so sure. It seems there are lots of votes cast by dead people, so I guess anything is possible.
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"resident alien" ....... certainly would take care of a coulpe on "issues" right off the top .....
Dennis, seems we used to have something along those lines a number of years back ...... guess it was to much money to just ask if one wanted to come
here and work under those conditions, at that time ....... that b prior to 1964
After the introduction of LBJ's Great Society, which I voted for, we then started seeing working conditions and pay start to go down hill in the
"private sector" with movement of American business across the border for "dirt" wages and increased profits ....... which has continued on, at a
faster and faster pace
IBEW, 1964-1974 Local 47
About the only which is truly "produced" here in America, is Food and Fiber ..... and that relies on the Hispanic folks ....... try and find
"Americans" that will work in "Ag Production" ........ at entry levels 
Maybe its changed ......... somehow I don't think so .... hard back breaking work, dirty, hot, low wages and chit housing, if supplied ......
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When considering remedies for illegal immigration remember that:
58% of unauthorized immigrants are from Mexico. The point being 42% are from elsewhere.
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2013/01/29/a-nation-of-immigrants...
40 to 50% of unauthorized immigrants entered the country legally and overstayed visas.
http://pewhispanic.org/files/factsheets/19.pdf
Therefore much more needs to be done than militarizing the border.
Is a 700 mile fence worth it? Just how much of the problem will it fix?
I don't know.
[Edited on 6-23-2013 by SFandH]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by SFandH
40 to 50% of unauthorized immigrants entered the country legally and overstayed visas.
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My buddy had a VA doctor whom he invited down to Ensenada to go fishing, but the Doc had to decline saying he was an illegal from India who came over
for school and never went back after his visa expired.
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Therefore much more needs to be done than militarizing the border.
Is a 700 mile fence worth it? Just how much of the problem will it fix?
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The fence never would/will work. The issue, as much as our government doesn't even like to talk about it, is criminals, not the disenfranchised,
coming in. Our Constitution has become a written invitation for their participation in our lives, and our prisons have become their resort of choice.
That is what must be stopped.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by SFandH
When considering remedies for illegal immigration remember that:
58% of unauthorized immigrants are from Mexico. The point being 42% are from elsewhere.
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2013/01/29/a-nation-of-immigrants...
40 to 50% of unauthorized immigrants entered the country legally and overstayed visas.
http://pewhispanic.org/files/factsheets/19.pdf
Therefore much more needs to be done than militarizing the border.
Is a 700 mile fence worth it? Just how much of the problem will it fix?
I don't know.
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How many of those 58% and from Mexico, and how many of the other 42% from other countries, cross illegally at the border between the USA and Mexico?
Does it make sense that a Mexican or a Guatemalan person, somehow makes his or her way to Canada, without touching the USA, and cross the border
southbound there?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by SFandH
40 to 50% of unauthorized immigrants entered the country legally and overstayed visas.
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My buddy had a VA doctor whom he invited down to Ensenada to go fishing, but the Doc had to decline saying he was an illegal from India who came over
for school and never went back after his visa expired.
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Therefore much more needs to be done than militarizing the border.
Is a 700 mile fence worth it? Just how much of the problem will it fix?
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The fence never would/will work. |
Yet the pro immigration/anti-fence folks would have you believe it IS working.....this is their number one defense against more fence.
We hear it everyday.....apprehensions are way down.
There can only be two parameters at play here.
Either there are less illegal crossings now OR the fence and added vigilance are nabbing more and /or deterring the attempt to cross.
If the added fence enhancements are indeed working, then it seems logical that more enhancements and or added fence barriers would work even better.
The bottom line is and always will be.......VOTES.
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I think trying to "qualify" an illegal by his/her point of origin is a big smokescreen. All of it has to be addressed. I just don't happen to think
that forcing citizenship is a way to do this.
I furthermore believe our congress is just blustering this BS point to sound as though they're in charge.....in control of America when, in fact, they
lost control of America a long time ago.
America now belongs to the strongest.....whomever that may be at the moment, but it isn't our government.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
We hear it everyday.....apprehensions are way down.
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They rise and fall with the economy.
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Dennis ya might get an argument from this gal ....... just saying
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I just don't happen to think that forcing citizenship is a way to do this.. |
I have never seen language that "forces" illegal immigrants to become citizens.
An option to do this at one point might be doable..as some have suggested by waiting, paying a fine and learning English.
Citizenship has never been a prerequisite to live in the USA but living there LEGALLY has been........
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
We hear it everyday.....apprehensions are way down.
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They rise and fall with the economy. |
Agreed....... and yet the anti-fence crowd would have you believe it IS the current fence and added security enhancements that have caused the
fall.......therefore no need for more fencing.
Yet anyone in the know, knows it's a combination of enhanced enforcement and the very likely prospect of no job NOB.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
Agreed....... and yet the anti-fence crowd would have you believe it IS the current fence and added security enhancements that have caused the
fall.......therefore no need for more fencing.
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I haven't heard such nonsense, but who any more listens to them anyway?
Actually, who listens to anybody?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
I just don't happen to think that forcing citizenship is a way to do this.. |
I have never seen language that "forces" illegal immigrants to become citizens.
An option to do this at one point might be doable..as some have suggested by waiting, paying a fine and learning English.
Citizenship has never been a prerequisite to live in the USA but living there LEGALLY has been........ |
Well....that was my question to begin with. It is mentioned so often in debate, I was getting the idea it was being considered a provision of
regularization.
I'm not sure, at this point, that it's not.
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That's A Great Point
I'm assuming that most of y'all were around to remember the Viet Nam war. The last war where we had conscription (draft). Once we had an all volunteer
armed force, all Hades broke loose. We have been a nation at war for decades, merely to provide obscene profits to so-called military contractors.
The highly venerated (among Republicans) Ronald Reagan signed an amnesty bill decades ago, with very little dissent.
Today, the current administration is seemingly forced to provide upwards of 90 billion dollars in pork to get enough voted to allow folks to spend
over a decade to achieve citizenship.
Back to the draft thing. Since only a very small percentage of American families are affected by the consequences of war, the government has been
allowed to pursue a a path to enter multiple nations, masquerading as saviors of democracy, but really about obtaining access to oil. (think Dick
Cheney).
Did y'all know that the biggest beneficiary of Iraqi oil contracts is China?
Back to the original thought here: As was stated by that retired Border Patrol agent, there currently exists a huge network of surveillance cameras,
and the Border Patrol already has the most officers in its history.
Spending $90 billion more will slightly slow the already slow passage North. $90 Billion, while we cut food stamps and other safety net programs for
poverty stricken kids.
That money will line the pockets of the private contractors.
And, if were were ever to, heaven forefend, complete building a huge fence on our entire border with Mexico, it would stand as a scarlet letter,
inasmuch as there would be absolutely no other border in the world fenced off like that.
Therefore much more needs to be done than militarizing the border.
Is a 700 mile fence worth it? Just how much of the problem will it fix?
I don't know.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
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Do you remember my father, Raymond Emory Myers ?
He was your business manager at that time but past away in 1968.
Bob Durrell
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| Quote: | Originally posted by SFandH
Therefore much more needs to be done than militarizing the border.
Is a 700 mile fence worth it? Just how much of the problem will it fix?
I don't know.
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As I've mentioned before the US military has hundreds of thousand scatterable mines that they have to dispose of, and what better place than along the
border. A few passes by aircraft and the border is secure and all the BP needs to do is put up the signs:
As a matter of fact the signs alone may be all that's needed but then the military is still stuck with all those banned scaterable mines.
Bob Durrell
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This is what the fence at the US - Canadian border looks like in most places.
| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
Does it make sense that a Mexican or a Guatemalan person, somehow makes his or her way to Canada, without touching the USA, and cross the border
southbound there? |
Bob Durrell
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That money will line the pockets of the private contractors.
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The idea of public contractors bothers me more, but I know what you're saying.
It's not what they are.....but who they are.
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Your kidding ...... my dad was a union rep there, quite Uncle Ed and started working for the Union in the early 60's ..... remember a Dalls Lore, Al
Coglin and Jonie the office manager ...... not sure about your dad, but, I must have known or met him if he worked out of the local, located on
Pellissier Rd in El Monte .... last time "out" was the summer of 72 ..... was lucky to get some local work to finish off school ...... my dad passed
in 71, at 54 ....
Remember walking to school in the third grade, and talking to the "guys" on strike at the substation on Orange Ave. in North Long Beach ....... we
lived in Company housing, at that time ..... 2 bedroom one bath, with four kids .... yeah, we b styling big time
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