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| Quote: | Originally posted by BigOly
Everyone knows I'm a birder. I'm a bird counter and I (along with other counters) estimate the bird counts for Baja Sur are down as much as 50% in
the last two years. My counts for the Oregon Coast are down as much as 80% this year. Now, the Oregon Fish & Wildlife has issued close to 400
permits to kill Barred Owls in an "experiment" to see if this killing helps the Spotted Owl population. It's hard even for me to tell the two apart,
they look so similar and now shotgunners are gonna be turned lose on what ever looks like a Barred Owl.
The Condor, tagged or not, north or south, what a man. Having a riffle that probably shoots a mile or something like that. Bird slowly soaring and
bang, bang he's dead,dead. Makes me sick!
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This 1895 illustration of a condor hunting party probably doesn't look like fun to you (or anyone in this age). Yet, the species thrives in South
America.
Thanks Doug for the Wiki link!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
This 1895 illustration of a condor hunting party probably doesn't look like fun to you (or anyone in this age). Yet, the species thrives in South
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Thrives? "The IUCN lists Andean condors as near threatened."
http://www.wcs.org/saving-wildlife/birds/andean-condor.aspx
BigOly --- I don't remember where, but I have read that pet house cats that are allowed outside are responsible for a great reduction in the bird
population, especially song birds. What do you know about this? True, not true, maybe, or what. On edit, I found one of the articles Cats and Songbirds What do you think?
And yes the shooting of a condor with a high powered rifle from a long distance is really sick, but then again, I think that most hunting for sport is
rather sick. I have never understood how shooting Bambi with a high powered rifle with a major scope that allows the killer to be a very long
distance away and then watching that beautiful animal collapse is sporting. I guess somehow it makes the killer feel good. JMHO
[Edited on 10-2-2013 by DianaT]
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Near threatened? Is that like when a jet has a near miss?
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I birded the Andies. We saw Condors, maybe 2 or 3. Very hard for us to find. Diana, It's estimated 300 million to 1 billion birds are killed by
window strikes every year. Cats? Don't get me started... out of respect for neighbors and animals, our 12 year old cat lives indoors. She's fine.
We used to have all sorts of critters living around our casa in LB. Neighbors moved in, cats run loose, no more little critters. Cats don't know any
better than to hunt, that's not their fault. Oh, shut up. (me)
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How about Colonel Sanders? He must be on a big hate list for the number of birds he had killed to feed us!
Seriously, birds are magnificent to see and you have great photos of them! I will only eat those that taste like chicken (or turkey)!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BigOly
I birded the Andies. We saw Condors, maybe 2 or 3. Very hard for us to find. Diana, It's estimated 300 million to 1 billion birds are killed by
window strikes every year. Cats? Don't get me started... out of respect for neighbors and animals, our 12 year old cat lives indoors. She's fine.
We used to have all sorts of critters living around our casa in LB. Neighbors moved in, cats run loose, no more little critters. Cats don't know any
better than to hunt, that's not their fault. Oh, shut up. (me) |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BigOly
I birded the Andies. We saw Condors, maybe 2 or 3. Very hard for us to find. Diana, It's estimated 300 million to 1 billion birds are killed by
window strikes every year. Cats? Don't get me started... out of respect for neighbors and animals, our 12 year old cat lives indoors. She's fine.
We used to have all sorts of critters living around our casa in LB. Neighbors moved in, cats run loose, no more little critters. Cats don't know any
better than to hunt, that's not their fault. Oh, shut up. (me) |
Here in San Diego cats are good at controlling rabbits and gophers, I thank the cats for their service. Luckily the cats are only skilled at hunting
small mammals and not very good at bird hunting.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by BigOly
I birded the Andies. We saw Condors, maybe 2 or 3. Very hard for us to find. Diana, It's estimated 300 million to 1 billion birds are killed by
window strikes every year. Cats? Don't get me started... out of respect for neighbors and animals, our 12 year old cat lives indoors. She's fine.
We used to have all sorts of critters living around our casa in LB. Neighbors moved in, cats run loose, no more little critters. Cats don't know any
better than to hunt, that's not their fault. Oh, shut up. (me) |
Here in San Diego cats are good at controlling rabbits and gophers, I thank the cats for their service. Luckily the cats are only skilled at hunting
small mammals and not very good at bird hunting. |
Here in San Diego, the coyotes are great at controlling outdoor cats in our neighborhood
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
This 1895 illustration of a condor hunting party probably doesn't look like fun to you (or anyone in this age). Yet, the species thrives in South
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Thrives? "The IUCN lists Andean condors as near threatened."
Diana, not all hunters are thrill seekers. I had my fill of hunting the most dangerous game on earth in '70-'71, and when i came home i hung up my
fire-arms for good, or so i thought. I learned how healthy AND how delicious properly taken and cared-for venison could be, and every year i filled
my frizzer with the best red meat money couldn't buy, and did it with a high powered rifle with specially loaded rounds to take a kill @ 300 yards and
never had to track an animal more than a few hundred feet at MOST since i was 22 years old. Never took a shot i couldn't hit, and never lost a single
wounded beast.
Now, i don't mean to start a verbal war, but ''flip-stickin' '', or bow-hunting is a totally different matter. It does emphasize the skill of the
hunter, yes. I didn't give a whit about skill; i wanted meat to eat, shed a tear when i took my kill, and revelled in my first bite of heart and
onions (my hunting bud would do the liver w/), and cut boneless and trimmed out properly, plus killed INSTANTLY and without running it full of
adrenalin, hoo boy, the finest, and healthiest carne in El Mundo, no contest.
The condor hunter in question here is for one thing only, and i think almost everyone on this board would agree: TESTICULAR ENLARGEMENT. Same with
all the 'Horn Hunters' out there. I knew a builder in the Durango area who built an addition on a HUGE house in Bayfield (just east of the
Durangotans) that was 6,000 sq. ft., two stories tall, and was constructed JUST to house his taxidermied heads/whatever of every animal he'd killed
all over the freaking world. Doubt he'd eaten much of each or any, and told he only spent 2 to 6 weeks a year in his 'other house' there in Colorado.
Boy howdy, now THERE'S SPORT for ya.
Happy trails, hope i didn't step on too many toes.
bb.
Dunno if this posted correctly, but was meant for the gist of Diana's post on 10-2-2013 at 16:41. Haven't learned to navigate properly here yet,
please excuse my naivete and have patience.
bb.
http://www.wcs.org/saving-wildlife/birds/andean-condor.aspx
BigOly --- I don't remember where, but I have read that pet house cats that are allowed outside are responsible for a great reduction in the bird
population, especially song birds. What do you know about this? True, not true, maybe, or what. On edit, I found one of the articles Cats and Songbirds What do you think?
And yes the shooting of a condor with a high powered rifle from a long distance is really sick, but then again, I think that most hunting for sport is
rather sick. I have never understood how shooting Bambi with a high powered rifle with a major scope that allows the killer to be a very long
distance away and then watching that beautiful animal collapse is sporting. I guess somehow it makes the killer feel good. JMHO
[Edited on 10-2-2013 by DianaT] |
[Edited on 10-3-2013 by bajabuddha]
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Bajabuddha, you are not stepping on toes. I have friends who hunt and enjoy eating wild game. I have eaten venison and elk and thought they were
Okay -- I just know that I could never kill those animals, but that is just me. I like the description of the Condor killer. 
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Has anyone considered this condor died naturally (or died from eating lead or antifreeze like they do in CA) and this guy simply found it and took a
picture with him in it to show how big it was? He may have nothing to do with its death.
Ask yourselves this, if you found a dead condor would you take a picture of it? Sure you would. Would you or one of your friends be in the picture
for scale? Likely. You may not pick the thing up, but some people are less squeamish about dead things
One of my co-workers had a live CA condor land near his vehicle up in the Angeles National Forest several years ago on one of our company projects.
The bird even tried to eat parts off his vehicle. Of course he took pictures; could he be accused of harassing the bird? Maybe. We were able to
contact a biologist, and now Old Number 24 resides at the San Diego Wild Animal Park as he is thinks it’s fun to hang around people. Not a good
thing.
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Buzzard Bagging Brouhaha ?
No Big Deal.
They shoot Pheasants, don't they ?
Paraphrasing Cab Calloway:
"A Condor ain't nothing but a Bird".
An UGLY one.
[Edited on 10-3-2013 by MrBillM]
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My neighbors cat kills a bird about every other month and leaves it by my back door.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by TW
My neighbors cat kills a bird about every other month and leaves it by my back door. |
TW its some kind of cat mating ritual
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BigOly
........ what a man.
[Edited on 10-2-2013 by BigOly] |
Yep! That macho thing in the culture we don't want to mention as it is too un-pc. Its an attitude that was even noted in "Two Years Before the Mast".
But......we just gave the sacred green wind energy folks clearance to whack eagles and condors too. Sadly its all dead birds, macho a'hole or
misguided greenness.
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Wind Whackers
And Collateral Carnage ?
Unlike the Goofy Greenies, I don't have any enthusiasm for Wind Energy BUT, IF one assumes that they DO have their place in the Power scheme, the
necessary and inevitable loss of a few Buzzards and other Wild Fowl gone Foul seems a needless and trivial concern.
Maybe we could post warning signs ?
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I have a foggy rememberance of reading that condors or some other
bird of prey were actually going after live animals in their search for food because the government had made the ranchers
get rid of the livestock that would die and lay rotting. This
was their normal food source. I belive it was in some South American country like Bolivia. Anyone else read about this?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vacaenbaja
I have a foggy rememberance of reading that condors or some other
bird of prey were actually going after live animals in their search for food because the government had made the ranchers
get rid of the livestock that would die and lay rotting. This
was their normal food source. I belive it was in some South American country like Bolivia. Anyone else read about this? |
Nature is much greater than many humans give credit for! Animals can adapt, move, change diet... Animals that fail to adapt will disappear... Humans
carry a lot of guilt, and if they can get funding, will spend billions to try and defeat what Mother Nature does...
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I don't care what type of Condor it is, it's a shame if he actually killed that bird.
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bajabuddha...i'm with you regarding the hunting part...no hormones, no chemicals and some of the finest tasting carne on the planet is wild game when
properly harvested and processed....i tell people when the criticize me for hunting that "i'm taking the responsibility for killing the meat i
eat"...i once had a chance back when i got out of the military to go to work in a slaughterhouse...i went in at 8am and was gone by 8:30....they had
handed my a sledgehammer and said, "stand up there and whack em between the eyes when they walk through"....nope!..couldn't do it...but i DO hunt and
i think it's my right and a slice of my heritage.
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