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weebray
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Pescador
One thing is for sure and that is Weebray spent entirely too much time out in the sun and fried a few vital parts. |
Oh what a snappy rejoinder. You are so clever. Now if you'd just get rid of that annoying and childish avatar people may take your drivel more
seriously.
Every beautiful beach in the world needs a few condo towers - NOT.
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Pescador
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| Quote: | Originally posted by weebray
| Quote: | Originally posted by Pescador
One thing is for sure and that is Weebray spent entirely too much time out in the sun and fried a few vital parts. |
Oh what a snappy rejoinder. You are so clever. Now if you'd just get rid of that annoying and childish avatar people may take your drivel more
seriously. |
Here is a snappy rejoinder. You come on a perfectly good fishing report from someone who took the time and you think it is necessary to invoke your
thought police badge and tell those of us who happen to enjoy the whole culture of fishing that you are way above spiritually the low lifes who choose
to partake even though you admit to having been a lowlife yourself for some time. But Now, you have seen the light and are in a much higher space
spiritually and intellectually and if we would only read Ed Abbey, we might find some level of intellectual spirtuality also.
If you choose to go off on a tangent that is in a completely different direction than the original poster, I suspect it would be more effective to
start your own rant and then see how much response you might get. Dennis feels very close to your thoughts as other posts I have read have
indicated, but he is not going over the wall to try to show his superiority (or lack therof) on a thread about a fishing report.
Your behavior reminds me of the guy who has smoked for years but for some reason or other gives it up and then starts preaching to the whole world
about the evils of tobacco. You are certainly entitled to your change of heart and your "new enlightenment" but I just wish you would find a more
socially acceptable way of expressing it.
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Hook
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The YFT have showed up here, too!!! Gonna chase 'em today. 40-60lbs. Nice size! About 30 miles out but, hey, you gotta do what you gotta do.
The sea is spring-time alive, right now. So much wildlife. Orcas, dozens and dozens of tortugas, jumping mantas, finback whales, sperm whales, schools
of porpoise/dolphins in the thousands, jumping bills.
Catching fish hardly matters right now.
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chuckie
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Well said Hook....A day on the SOC is always a special thing....Catching fish is a bonus...But I do like to catch fish...great news the Tuna are
in....enjoy...and thanks for the comments and report....
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Pescador
| Quote: | Originally posted by weebray
| Quote: | Originally posted by Pescador
One thing is for sure and that is Weebray spent entirely too much time out in the sun and fried a few vital parts. |
Oh what a snappy rejoinder. You are so clever. Now if you'd just get rid of that annoying and childish avatar people may take your drivel more
seriously. |
Here is a snappy rejoinder. You come on a perfectly good fishing report from someone who took the time and you think it is necessary to invoke your
thought police badge and tell those of us who happen to enjoy the whole culture of fishing that you are way above spiritually the low lifes who choose
to partake even though you admit to having been a lowlife yourself for some time. But Now, you have seen the light and are in a much higher space
spiritually and intellectually and if we would only read Ed Abbey, we might find some level of intellectual spirtuality also.
If you choose to go off on a tangent that is in a completely different direction than the original poster, I suspect it would be more effective to
start your own rant and then see how much response you might get. Dennis feels very close to your thoughts as other posts I have read have
indicated, but he is not going over the wall to try to show his superiority (or lack therof) on a thread about a fishing report.
Your behavior reminds me of the guy who has smoked for years but for some reason or other gives it up and then starts preaching to the whole world
about the evils of tobacco. You are certainly entitled to your change of heart and your "new enlightenment" but I just wish you would find a more
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Pescador, you nailed it! Well said....
Now, standby for another quote or snappy rejoinder from you know who.....
Hook, glad to hear things look great over there! I'm heading south now....
"Plan your life as if you are going to live forever. Live your life as if you are going to die tomorrow." - Carlos Fiesta
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MitchMan
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I'm a "lib" as the "con" Pescador says it, and I fish. There were times decades ago when I "over fished" in the sense that I didn't consume all that I
caught, since then I make sure that I do not do that anymore. To waste resources is a sin in my book.
Homo sapiens are the superior form of life and I do believe that, as such, humans have certain privileges over other forms of life, but not simply
because of this superiority of design alone, but more because of the lower forms of life's lack of self awareness, intellectual consciousness,
developed emotionality, awareness of distinctions between past and present and future, capacity for the level of care and sense of morality, and their
living only in the present (for the most part) and the distinct simplicity of their consciousness.
In short, because of the lack of mental and emotional sophistication of the lower forms of life, I feel justified in killing fish for sport only so
long as I eat the fish and share the fish with others who will eat it and do not participate in the species extinction.
[Edited on 5-20-2014 by MitchMan]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Pacifico
Pescador, you nailed it! Well said....
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Yes, he did… square on the head! 
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Catch and keep as many as you're legally allowed, but see to it that they aren't wasted. You'll probably be invited to a fish dinner or two.
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Pescador
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MitchMan
I'm a "lib" as the "con" Pescador says it, and I fish. There were times decades ago when I "over fished" in the sense that I didn't consume all that I
caught, since then I make sure that I do not do that anymore. To waste resources is a sin in my book.
Homo sapiens are the superior form of life and I do believe that, as such, humans have certain privileges over other forms of life, but not simply
because of this superiority of design alone, but more because of the lower forms of life's lack of self awareness, intellectual consciousness,
developed emotionality, awareness of distinctions between past and present and future, capacity for the level of care and sense of morality, and their
living only in the present (for the most part) and the distinct simplicity of their consciousness.
In short, because of the lack of mental and emotional sophistication of the lower forms of life, I feel justified in killing fish for sport only so
long as I eat the fish and share the fish with others who will eat it and do not participate in the species extinction.
[Edited on 5-20-2014 by MitchMan] |
We may be on different sides of the political line, but I always respect what you have to say because you think things through and always offer a
really intelligent response to issues. It is always refreshing to have discussions with those who take the high road.
[Edited on 5-20-2014 by Pescador]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MitchMan
Homo sapiens are the superior form of life and I do believe that, as such, humans have certain privileges over other forms of life, but not simply
because of this superiority of design alone, but more because of the lower forms of life's lack of self awareness, intellectual consciousness,
developed emotionality, awareness of distinctions between past and present and future, capacity for the level of care and sense of morality, and their
living only in the present (for the most part) and the distinct simplicity of their consciousness.
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y'all should watch the planet of the apes movies!
 what a crack up! "killing can be fun, we are justified it by our superiority"
i am amused when people say such,... because when (not if) man finally meets an alien life form and that alien is superior to man,... the reflective
man will see the error of his previously thinking this about "lower" species.
what ever happened to living life by the golden rule, and respecting all creatures?
peace out!
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weebray
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I made a simple point. Go look at the picture. Who appears to be more esthetically superior? -well, answer the question. The escalation of my
observation was brought to this thread but by the rabid overfishermen stuck in the Eisenhower days when you could walk across La Paz bay to the magote
on the backs of the fish living there. I can just see the spittle at the corner of the mouths of these "Pescadores". Rave on ye fat and greezy
citizens.
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"You make my point. I have the blood of hundreds of animals on my hands. I have hunted, fished, bought live animals to butcher and raised all manner
of domesticated "meat" in my life."
just stop eating and do us all a favor......
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Maybe a Fish Dinner on the Malecon with Blanca and Les?? You guys are hard Ass! Why the need to take a different opinion? These Santa Rosalia/
Mulege guys have a long history, Multiplicity. What do you do for fun? Jazz. that's cool. I don't criticize. Tio
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MitchMan
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Thanks, Pescador, I appreciate your magnanimous comment.
Goat, I don't disagree with your perspective in spirit. Superiority is not an unfettered license to take total advantage of other entities in any and
all circumstances. Hitler and the N-zis took the position that superiority of one race gives that race unfettered and total license to totally abuse,
control, exploit, consume, and even exterminate another race of people. That is not what I believe and that is not what most people with a conscience
believe.
In this regard, generally all humans are quite and extensively and vastly totally superior to the next lower mammal/animal in the evolutionary line.
That level of superiority alone is not enough, however, to have privileges over lesser animals. The fact that most all of those lower animals have a
very limited level of awareness and intelligence which limits their level of realization of experience and therefore limited level of cognizance and
much less complex emotion together with a limited concept of the past, present and future is the other characteristic (together with the immenseness
of the superiority of human intelligence and range of emotion, etc.) that I think give us humans certain privileges over lower animals.
In fact, all of us humans are bestowed with that level of capacity, intelligence and complex emotionality (among other qualities) that I believe that
we humans are entitled to a level of regard as beings in this universe to be always entitled to autonomy and unalienable rights to life, liberty and
the pursuit of happiness even if a superior type of being to us humans should land on our planet.
That is a huge difference to Hitler's philosophy...he drew the lines between different races and differing capacities/characteristics among humans, I
draw the line between the human race (taken as a whole and excluding no one) and lower animals.
I don't see my philosophy as being based on a slippery slope and I do believe it allows for an appropriate, informed and conscionable level of respect
for all creatures and nature itself.
I have the highest regard for your thoughts, Goat, and I consider you an ally in many ways.
[Edited on 5-21-2014 by MitchMan]
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In much the same manner that a good farmer is always watching the condition of his land, monitoring water levels, checking for nutrition and proper
growing conditions, and putting back in the form of seeding and fertilization, most sportsmen that I have personally known in my life have the same
attitude towards the sea and rivers that produce fish or the lands that produce wildlife. Anyone that has spent much time afield knows that there
are those times when everything comes together and it is easy to overcatch or overharvest. But most people that I have had the pleasure of fishing
and hunting beside usually see the error of that and are more careful the next time around.
The PETA crowd would like to convice us that the biggest problem in the animal kingdom is humans and if things were left to a natural state we
would return to some kind of Nirvana state. But we know mostly what they have been smoking anyway.
The fishing and hunting culture is, for the most part, respectful of the resource and spends more money on conservation that the average guy on the
street. So, many of us like the pictures of successful harvests because we can identify with the skill, patience, and effort that goes into a
successful harvest.
So, I refuse to be painted with the brush of irresponsible destroyer of game fish because I choose to take a picture for memories.
Finally, removed from all this. I wish I could find the picture of Ed Abbey who did a river trip with a group of my friends and caught a real monster
rainbow trout that we had for dinner. I had a picture of him holding the trout up as a real trophy.
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Back on the subject? Are any Tuna being caught from the Baja side? Like out of Mulege or San Lucas?
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Well, unless those two guys don't like fish, I can't see where they have enough to go to waste. Three or four good meals for family and friends. I
know it's an archaic saying, but "party pooper" comes to mind. I guess some people are so unhappy they just have to spread it around. 
I yam what I yam and that\'s all what I yam.
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Abbey made my day once when I lived in New Mexico and we shared a boat with two other fishermen. I didn't know much about him then -- he was just
considered a looney ego freak Marxist. Anyway I caught a whopper brown, limited out while he caught and released a very small rainbow. He was a jerk.
Almost fell out of the boat while he was making notes instead of fishing or paying attention to the movements of the small boat. Looking back I will
say on that day he was more of a conservationist than I was cause I kept the brown and one other nice rainbow. He was 39 or 40 years old, I was 30 but
I had fished a lot more than him around Utah and New Mexico.
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Looks like my original rib poking has provoked some thoughtful, albeit contentious at times, discussion. It has gone way beyond my intent but I'm not
sorry. I have absolutely no problem with sport fishing for fun or for food. I do have a problem with the orgy of overfishing. It even extends to
buying bait. The last panga trip I went on we bought way more live bait from the bait boat than we could ever use. Why? Because we had the cash and
were afraid we would run out. At the end of the day most of it was released - dead. That would be fine if I were the only ahole out there doing it
but I'm not. Overfishing a ALL levels is a problem here in Baja, even my most ardent detractors acknowledge that. There are limits but no one
monitors them. We need to monitor them ourselves. I'm going to try a little harder. I still go fishing but to me it's more like golf now, relaxing
entertainment. It makes no economic sense for me to fish for food. Every day the Bravo market has the freshest possible cleaned fillets for about 70
pesos a kilo. At the end of the day I'm sure a bunch of it gets thrown out. Enjoy your fishing trips, Release most of your catch and shop at your
local market for food. And, to answer another critic, if you can't identify fresh fish you aren't a fisherman - eat beef.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody with a view
"You make my point. I have the blood of hundreds of animals on my hands. I have hunted, fished, bought live animals to butcher and raised all manner
of domesticated "meat" in my life."
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I'm sorry, I just can't let this go without referring back to Robert Frost's quote about a wise man having something to say and a fool having to say
something. You just provided a perfect example of someone with nothing to say - saying it.
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