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[*] posted on 5-24-2015 at 06:41 PM


Wow, Russ, that's a totally different scene today from what it was before the storms. I'll have to scronge around in my photo files to find something to compare it to. Thanks for the look!



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[*] posted on 5-24-2015 at 08:42 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Russ  
carlosg, I haven't seen the site you posted before and the imagery is much better than I get on Google Earth. I enhanced the screen shot I took to try to bring even more detail up.

Really an informative post. I often forget about Julia's restaurant. She's a good cook and if you provide fresh supplies she'll do you right or tell her what you want in advance and her son, Carlos, will bring them in each day.
here's another map


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Hi Russ,

Actually Carlos and his helpers (Simon the water truck driver and another guy) took us snorkeling for scallops and chocolatas over there; Paco would come over every day to see if we needed anything. These are great people, I try and keep in touch with them now and then. Julia is a really nice lady.

What is the second map image, is it from a GPS?

This is what the Estero looked like at the East end by the beach two years ago:

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...we took a cuad drive over there from Punta Ranchero

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[*] posted on 5-25-2015 at 07:05 AM


It seems the nature of things to fill in the mouth. But this time it looks like a harbor entrance. Even the beach route along the beach north to the "flat rocks" is flooded at high tide and you have to find your way inland. Yes, the second map image is from an old GPS screen shot. Here is a recent shot ... you can see several tracks across the mouth of the estuary and a lot of other track.




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[*] posted on 5-25-2015 at 07:54 AM


For the most part, I would not be afraid to camp in most of those areas but a couple of things will help you. Do not set up camp that is completely visible from the road, make sure everything is locked up and secure when you go out to fish. Loose things generally have legs and somehow walk away, but you will probably run in to local people on the roads rather than outlaws from other areas. There is a new development just out of San Bruno called Costa Tranquilo and just past that area is a single tree, a protected cove, and a great camping site looking at San Marcos Island. Just make sure to pick up after yourself and blend in. Closer to Muertos, there is more development and consequently more traffic. They started a new restaurant out on Dolphin Cove that quit after the road got washed out in Odile Hurricane.



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[*] posted on 5-25-2015 at 08:36 AM


Boy, I'd love to see a CURRENT shot of the old camping beach out by the light tower. That used to be my go-to camp in Baja from the early 80s to the late 90s, when the ejido was still running it. I think I met Bill Alvarado in the last year he was running the show out there.

We'd anchor our small boats inside the finger reef on the north side of the hammerhead or, when our boats got larger, on the south side. Pretty darn protected.

I do remember a few nights when T-storms from the mainland would roll over the sea and cause lots of havoc on the beach and anchorage. A sand storm there is very unpleasant.

I have boated in there in the past couple years and it looked largely the same, except the outhouses were gone. The old cinderblock shower stalls were still there, IIRC. Great solar showers, camping, outhouses and even delivery of dry goods/produce/meats/water, etc., by enterprising locals.

Those are really my fondest memories of boondocking in Mexico. It was great swapping stories with all the other people in camp, sharing various foods we had brought down, various alcohols and other substances. :o . In May/June there could be 20 separate camps out there........but it never seemed too crowded. Just more fun.

Someone brought oysters from SQ on their way down (often ME!), others brought WSB or lobsters from the fish market in Ensenada. Every 3-4 days, you'd up and head into SR or Mulege for reprovisioning, especially fuel for the boats, ice and, of course, beer. There were no beer sales (outside of the hotel bar) out there until, I believe, the guy who began selling/leasing lots on Shell Beach put in a little Conasupo near the entrance to the hotel.

Great memories, trolling south into the rising sun at sunrise; looking for paddies, after having made macks at Muertos. My personal best 37 lb. dorado was caught in about '95, after finding a paddy about 20 miles out and flylining a mack near it. That mark stood until I caught a 58 lb dorado over here around 2012-3, cant remember which.

One other memory; seeing what looked like sea snakes hanging around the sand areas right off the camping beach. They really did not look like eels; they would remain in place, suspended vertically in the water, just hanging out. We gave them a wide berth, knowing how poisonous most sea snakes can be. Anyone else ever see those and ever get a positive ID on them?

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[*] posted on 5-25-2015 at 08:51 AM
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[*] posted on 5-25-2015 at 09:04 AM


Still a great looking area. I much preferred this as a camp to the camps inside Concepcion, as they were just too far to run in and out of, for fishing. And the jake brakes were always heard along Concepcion. Chivato is close to the offshore fishing and there was decent YT fishing around the islas Santa Ines in the winter. Not as good as at San Marcos, though.
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[*] posted on 5-25-2015 at 09:49 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Hook  
Boy, I'd love to see a CURRENT shot of the old camping beach out by the light tower. That used to be my go-to camp in Baja from the early 80s to the late 90s, when the ejido was still running it. I think I met Bill Alvarado in the last year he was running the show out there.

[Edited on 5-25-2015 by Hook]


March, 2014...

Flying over camping beach on my friend Ray's plane...




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...you can see the remains of the outhouses and showers on lower left corner and the other below the second house on the hill...


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...beach between light beacon and hotel and the other outhouse by the road away from the beach...



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...late September, 2013...


...under our truck after the sandstorm there was about 4-6 inches of sand swept away by the wind, all the way down to the hard surface of the beach...



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..our camp after the storm, the bottom right corner is our fire pit covered by sand, our camp stood up good to the wind, we spent all day inside our tent playing monopoly, playing music, eating and enjoying some tecates...


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[*] posted on 5-25-2015 at 10:47 AM


I remember being holed up in one of my backpacking tents for a sandstorm there. It held up just fine in winds that were maybe 30-40kts.

But the no-see-um netting filtered out everything but this extremely fine dust/grit that was awful to breathe in. We bailed the next day, in case the winds returned. I learned that day that there are better locations along that beach that dont get so much blowing sand. But most were already taken.

I had what looked like the exact same shade structure. It was one of only two structures that made it through, standing. The structure was made by a company called Jenkins; I dont see them around anymore. I had the canvas bags you fill with sand and anchor to the corners using a big S-hook and some rope to the top of the bags. They are great structures; I still have mine. But I generally bring an EZUP now, and peel the top off if the winds come up or I leave camp. Much easier to set up and store in the vehicle while on the road.
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[*] posted on 5-25-2015 at 10:54 AM


Great information guys. Those latest pictures really have me stoked to explore the area. Think I'll head over there next Monday for 2 or 3 days if I can find some propane bottles for my Colman stove. Nothing here in Asuncion, hopefully Vizcaino.
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Quote: Originally posted by Hook  
I remember being holed up in one of my backpacking tents for a sandstorm there. It held up just fine in winds that were maybe 30-40kts.

But the no-see-um netting filtered out everything but this extremely fine dust/grit that was awful to breathe in. We bailed the next day, in case the winds returned. I learned that day that there are better locations along that beach that dont get so much blowing sand. But most were already taken.

I had what looked like the exact same shade structure. It was one of only two structures that made it through, standing. The structure was made by a company called Jenkins; I dont see them around anymore. I had the canvas bags you fill with sand and anchor to the corners using a big S-hook and some rope to the top of the bags. They are great structures; I still have mine. But I generally bring an EZUP now, and peel the top off if the winds come up or I leave camp. Much easier to set up and store in the vehicle while on the road.


This is a 14'x10' shade, on the bottom of each leg there's a circular "foot pad" screwed on, I bury the leg in about 12"-18" in the sand and this kept the structure fine during the storm, I bought the whole thing in Chula Vista at: http://marcoscanopiesinc.com/, the no-see-um netting on our Kodiak tent filtered out even the finest sand and kept us comfy during the storm....




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[*] posted on 5-25-2015 at 08:44 PM


Rossman, coming monday is good. If you come earlier, be aware there is an off road race thru the PC area , pre running this week for a sunday, may 31st race.
Coleman propane bottles are available at Albas tienda in the plaza in mulege. There probably in SR also.




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Quote: Originally posted by willyAirstream  
Rossman, coming monday is good. If you come earlier, be aware there is an off road race thru the PC area , pre running this week for a sunday, may 31st race.
Coleman propane bottles are available at Albas tienda in the plaza in mulege. There probably in SR also.


Thanks for the info. I figured I could find the propane in Viz, SI or SR on the way down. Good to know there is a spot in M too.
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[*] posted on 5-26-2015 at 05:49 AM


If not I have one I'll give you.
carlosg, Great photos! I took 3 for future use if that's okay?




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[*] posted on 5-26-2015 at 07:21 AM


Yeah, I forgot to mention, these fotos are terrific!



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[*] posted on 5-26-2015 at 08:31 AM


If you havent left the states, those propane bottles are WAY cheaper up there.

I dont think I've found a better everyday, low price than Wally's two bottles for around 5.50. They are often more than double that over here.

I once went the route with the 20 lb bottle, the distribution post and all the hosing for the various propane devices. Too much hassle, unless you are staying put in one place for AT LEAST a week.

I'll pay the extra for the convenience of the 16.4 oz bottles for the camp stove and the wife's little catalytic heater. I've gone LEDs for light.
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[*] posted on 5-26-2015 at 09:30 AM


The little adapters to refill small tanks from the 20 lb. tanks work fine. After a few times some small tank valves will leak, then you toss them.
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[*] posted on 5-26-2015 at 10:54 AM


I Have a one pound refillable tank for camping. Works great.

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[*] posted on 5-26-2015 at 02:20 PM


I have a similar tank but 5 lbs. Unfortunately the local propane distributor in Asuncion won't fill one less than 20 lbs and have been unable to find a spot in Vizcaino either. If I could get that refilled my propane problems would be over for a long time.
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[*] posted on 5-26-2015 at 03:48 PM


The guy that comes around here in the truck won't fill them either but I got the Santa Rosalia facility to fill it but only after it was empty??



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