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David K
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Can you guys on the left ever laugh or at least smile?
I am an irrigation professional for 35 years, so yes I know where water comes from. That you have no sense of humor is more alarming. That you want to
continue this stupid debate shows a severe need that is best answered by a medical professional or local herbalist.
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Mexitron
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Golf courses, in the big picture, are not big water users--its cattle folks---upwards of 50 percent of the water in CA goes to raising cattle. Take a
drive thru Brawley...miles upon miles of verdant green alfalfa in the noonday desert sun taking sensational amounts of water during the summer...
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Quote: Originally posted by Mexitron  | | Golf courses, in the big picture, are not big water users--its cattle folks---upwards of 50 percent of the water in CA goes to raising cattle. Take a
drive thru Brawley...miles upon miles of verdant green alfalfa in the noonday desert sun taking sensational amounts of water during the summer...
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I don't know. You have to ask the "irrigation professional". But I think you are right.
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| Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | | Quote: Originally posted by Mexitron | | Golf courses, in the big picture, are not big water users--its cattle folks---upwards of 50 percent of the water in CA goes to raising cattle. Take a
drive thru Brawley...miles upon miles of verdant green alfalfa in the noonday desert sun taking sensational amounts of water during the summer...
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I don't know. You have to ask the "irrigation professional". But I think you are right. |
The last project I worked on before I retired was a Sewage Treatment Plant on I -5 near LODI Ca. I met a Farmer There that Leased several hundred of
the surrounding acres of land Which was irrigated by recycled water from the plant, He grew hay there, he relater he got 6 cuttings a year off that
land and the first cutting paid all his expenses the other 5 were Profit. Sounded like it was a smart venture.
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Long term solutions must include population reduction ie abstinence, condoms, vasectomies, tubal ligation and change in social expectations for large
families, yea good luck on those.
Sadly left to his own devices man in general is unlikely to self impose any of these options so viruses, disease, wars and malnutrition are probably
the only thing that will move the needle.
I wonder what the long term effects of the brine being returned to the sea in these quantities will have on the ecosystem, guess we are about to find
out.
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Reducing the population thru natural or normal means creates problems such as when people age how will the smaller work force support them. Another
problem is getting the catholic church to want smaller families. Right now their position is to multiply. I just read in todays paper that the US as
of now is at the sustainable level of people. In other words new babies and people coming into the US will maintain the population as is. According to
the article soon after the recession hit the population went into decline for several years.
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A Waste of Money?
Maybe. Here are some recent experiences.
"After enduring severe water shortages during a drought in the late 1980s, Santa Barbara voters agreed to spend $34 million to build a desalination
plant. It opened in 1991 and provided water for four months. When the drought ended, the city shut it down. Water from reservoirs and other sources
was significantly cheaper.
Similarly, Australia spent more than $10 billion building six huge seawater desalination plants during a severe drought from 1997 to 2009. Today,
Cooley noted, four are shut down because when rains finally came, the cost of the water became noncompetitive."
Cost:
Desalinated water typically costs about $2,000 an acre foot -- roughly the amount of water a family of five uses in a year. The cost is about double
that of water obtained from building a new reservoir or recycling wastewater, according to a 2013 study from the state Department of Water Resources.
The power needed to run the plant, in this case the Carlsbad plant:
about 38 megawatts per day, enough to power 28,500 homes
http://www.mercurynews.com/science/ci_25859513/nations-large...
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David K
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| Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | | Quote: Originally posted by Mexitron | | Golf courses, in the big picture, are not big water users--its cattle folks---upwards of 50 percent of the water in CA goes to raising cattle. Take a
drive thru Brawley...miles upon miles of verdant green alfalfa in the noonday desert sun taking sensational amounts of water during the summer...
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I don't know. You have to ask the "irrigation professional". But I think you are right. |
Golf course around Cabo vs Brawley cattle farms... I am not getting the connection? Are the Cabo golf courses using grey water, recycled water, or sea
water (I think Diamante is?)? Just trying to keep this about Baja.
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rts551
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THe David. Hint. Its all about water.
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using water to keep a ribeye on my BBQ is wise! using water so that guys can smack their balls all day seems stupid, even reclaimed water should go
towards the cities needs, not a privately held corporation.
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rts551
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Don't worry. Its been proposed that San Dingo county be allowed to pump it into their water system.
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Mexicali is sitting on a lot of geothermal, why not use that to desal water.
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In my opinion, California has a few problems with water. Just check out how much water it takes to grow almonds. Incredible.
Also on my list are the bottled water companies that pump out the ground water for free. Are you listening Olancha? The state needs to tax the water
being pumped freely to serve all the people across the nation that for some reason, need to drink bottled water. Just perhaps, if California imposed a
huge tax on the pumping of that water, we shall see if folks want to continue to pay for a product that is readily available from their tap.
I live in an area that has a huge population of Vietnamese and Korean folks. They are always going to stores that offer filtered water. It's a
cultural thing, simply because in their native countries, the tap water is not drinkable. Anyone know how many billions of dollars are spent annually
for bottled water in a country that has potable water flowing from the faucets everywhere?
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Yes, now what about the brine
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David K
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Laguna Salada is hundreds of square miles of salt flats, and downhill from both Cerro Prieto geothermal plant... or sea coast, if you go in it far
enough. Natural brine pit all there and ready to serve the needs.
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Mexitron
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It dilutes readily, the oceans are big.
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Yeah, no worries about that.....we've been dumping trash in the oceans for centuries....why stop now? 
Don't believe everything you think....
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Depends on where and the currents. There are many bays or estuaries that I would not want to dump close to.
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| Quote: Originally posted by durrelllrobert | | The Ensenada plant is being built by a S. Korean company in 1/5th the time (2 years Vs.10 years) and 1/200th the cost ($48M vs $1B) of the Carlsbad
facility, mostly because it took 6+ years just to get the permits for the Carsbad facility. Of course the Carsbad facility will produce 50 million
gallons of drinking water per day and the Ensenada facility will only produce 11.4% of that (5.7 milloin gal./day). Both facilities use reverse
osmosis technology to desalinate sea water with a 50% efficiency (two gallons in/ 1 gallon saline solution out). In both cases the saline solution is
about twice as salty as sea water but the relatively smalll quantity (about 5.7 million gallons/day for Ensenada) is rapidly dilluted to equalibrium,
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lets at least count our apples correctly... that is a 20 to one ratio... And note the labor rate differential between the two countries, is that
about 20-10 to one?
They should be looking into building offshore or nearshore wind farms or wave/tide pumps where there is wind or waves to drive the desal pressure
pumps IMHO.
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| Quote: Originally posted by rts551 |
Depends on where and the currents. There are many bays or estuaries that I would not want to dump close to. |
Very true, it needs to be sent offshore, wouldn't think of dumping it into a bay or estuary.
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