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Lee
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Quote: Originally posted by ehall  | | From Az . Never had a front plate. Lucky so far in many, many trips to both Baja and the mainland. |
Just got an education: only 18 US states require front plates. Never though about it. And I've never read about anyone being stopped in Baja
for not having a front plate. Maybe I'm overreacting.
While plates are the subject, here's something to ensure plate safety. http://www.jimmijammer.com/Product,%20Plate%20Keeper.html
Parked at a 30 minute zone years ago in Cabo and set my watch. Back in 25 minutes and a cop was standing there with a screw driver in his hand.
He must have set his watch too or something.
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mjs
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That is incorrect. The fix-it ticket fine is $25. Calif posts all the traffic fines online (google is your friend)
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there's no $25 ticket anymore...they call it added surcharges
you better show your source
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Took a new car and a new motorcycle, both without plates, into Mexico with no problem. As long as you have your paperwork you are probably fine.
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Lee
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| Quote: Originally posted by ZipLine | | Took a new car and a new motorcycle, both without plates, into Mexico with no problem. As long as you have your paperwork you are probably fine.
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You probably think wearing your seat belts will prevent you from being pulled over and cited for not wearing seat belts.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Bob53 | | Quote: Originally posted by Lee |
Someone is looking to tempt fate.
No plate in front is the same as no plates to a cop looking for an excuse to pull you over and scam some mordida.
Anyone claiming they drove without plates and weren't stopped got lucky. Lots of people out there who are lucky.
Why give a cop a reason to pull you over?
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I have a trip south planned next week so I guess I can Jerry-rig it somehow.
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I recommend 100 MPH duct tape. 
Your welcome.
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mjs
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And maybe you should check / site your's.
Google if you care to look up the specific violation. Fee schedule at http://www.riverside.courts.ca.gov/uniformbail.pdf and other county websites. Same fee schedule for all Calif courts (fees are set by the State).
Fix-it tickets are $25. And that includes the non-applicable surcharges which are listed in the fee schedule.
[Edited on 8-15-2015 by mjs]
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sect 5017b = $121
you don't think they's waste their time on a $25 ticket....time to make money in California
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You don't have time before "this fall" to get new plates???
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You're close. First you need to look up the violation in the Vehicle Code. Division 3, Chapter 1, Article 8, Section 5017 refers to special
identification plates (typically for trailers, special construction vehicles, farm implements, etc.) and gets its authority from Section 5014.
License plates are under Division 3 Chapter 1 Article 9 Section 5200 (https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/pubs/vctop/vc/d3/c1/a9). If you look up the 5200 violation in the Fee Schedule you will be in the
correct section. Now look at the Notes letter next to the infraction number. You will see a Note A and a Note B listed. Note A will show a fine of
$197 and Note B a fine of $25. So now you need to determine what the notes reference.
Note A states: "Violation cited on a notice to appear as not eligible for correction (emphasis added). (VC 40303.5, VC 40522, and VC 40610.)
A citing officer may issue a noncorrectable notice to appear for an equipment, driver's license, or registration offense that is potentially eligible
for correction if the officer determines that the violation presents an immediate safety hazard, there is evidence of fraud or persistent neglect, or
the violator does not agree to, or cannot, promptly correct the violation. (See California Highway Patrol v. Superior Court (2008) 158 Cal.App.4th 726
[riding a motorcycle without wearing any helmet presents an "immediate safety hazard" when an officer makes that determination and issues a
noncorrectable citation].) If a citation does not indicate that an offense is eligible for correction under VC 40522, a court may presume that the
offense is cited as noncorrectable. "
Note B states: "Violation cited on a notice to appear as eligible for correction (emphasis added). (VC 40303.5, VC 40522, and VC 40610.) A
potentially eligible equipment, driver's license, or registration offense may be cited as correctable on a notice to appear unless the citing officer
determines that the violation presents an immediate safety hazard, there is evidence of fraud or persistent neglect, or the violator does not agree
to, or cannot, promptly correct the violation. (See California Highway Patrol v. Superior Court (2008) 158 Cal.App.4th 726 [riding a motorcycle
without wearing any helmet presents an "immediate safety hazard" when an officer makes that determination and issues a noncorrectable citation].)"
It is pretty hard to argue that a missing front license plate " presents an immediate safety hazard, there is evidence of fraud or persistent neglect,
or the violator does not agree to, or cannot, promptly correct the violation." and most (never say all as there could be exceptions) will be issued as
a correctable offense. With a $25 fine.
As a personal aside, until recently sold I never ran a front plate on my Corvette (and still don't on my hot rod) and would on occasion get a missing
license plate ticket. Always from a parking cop. Always $25. Mount plate, sign verification that correction was done, mail notice and $25 to court,
remove plate.
YMMV
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I took a trip from Houston to Northern Baja in the last year without plates and I didn't have a problem. You should be good to go.
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Yet, some of us who have been going to Baja for over 50 years have NEVER been pulled over for such a thing... In the past 10 years, I have taken a
brand new Toyota Tacoma 4X4, without plates (just the sticker in the front window you get when you get a new car) multiple times.
I don't recall if I did as well with my 3 new Subaru 4X4s or my new Jeep, as it was so long ago... This seriously should not be an issue to prevent
you from going to Baja. Just make sure your Mexican auto insurance covers the new vehicle, and it will state no plates but have the VIN number, and
once you get your plates, add that to the policy (if it is an annual one).
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Lee
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | Yet, some of us who have been going to Baja for over 50 years have NEVER been pulled over for such a thing... In the past 10 years, I have taken a
brand new Toyota Tacoma 4X4, without plates (just the sticker in the front window you get when you get a new car) multiple times.
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Always a first time, David.
Here we go. ''I've been in Baja 50 years and have never paid mordida or been stopped by a cop. It CAN'T be happening.''
Think you're also assuming that YOU would have heard about someone being hassled for not having a front plate.
That may or may not be true. Your logic escapes me.
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Reality is what I dwell on mostly Lee. The good people of Baja don't need more reasons for Americans to not go south... It is tough enough with the
sensationalism provided by the media, and a few here on Nomad!
I have paid mordida, when I suggested it to the cops... we are talking back in the 1970's and 1980's, however. So yes, I have been stopped by the
cops.
I was not speaking of front plates (AZ cars don't have them), but about the topic of this thread NEW CARS with NO PLATES.
To THAT question I have personal experience. Do you?
The paper taped in the front windshield is = to a plate when you buy a car.
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Lee
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Yet, some of us who have been going to Baja for over 50 years have NEVER been pulled over for such a thing... . |
David, it doesn't matter how many years I've been going to Baja. And it doesn't matter how many years anyone else has either.
A paper plate might be fine between the border and Ensenada. It'll probably get the attention of cops in La Paz. David, do you have any
experience with paper plates in La Paz?
Legality and illegality is determined by luck and the mood of the cop that sees your car.
I think you know maps and missions. Not sure you know Baja reality though. Don't think you know cops either. I've read your comments on
Tecate cops and think your responses are generally naive.
Just an observation and doesn't take away from liking you.
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It matters if someone is asking IF it happens, I think?
Someone who first went to Baja last year vs. someone who first went in the last century would have different amount of knowledge or personal
experience with this sort of thing, wouldn't they?
Let's have EVERYONE on Nomad who got pulled over in a new car BECAUSE it didn't have metal plates and EVERYONE who drove a new car and didn't get
pulled over BECAUSE it didn't have metal plates compare notes.
This can only be responded to by people who drove new, unplated cars into Baja. U.S. or Canadian new cars driven in Baja California.
Let's begin... I will start, and update the poll based on replies in this thread.
1. Pulled over because no metal plates on new car: 1
2. Not pulled over when drove without metal plates on new car: 3
[Edited on 8-19-2015 by David K]
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Lee
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Reality is what I dwell on mostly Lee. The good people of Baja don't need more reasons for Americans to not go south... It is tough enough with the
sensationalism provided by the media, and a few here on Nomad!. |
Help me out David. What part of your reality thinks tourists are staying away from Baja because of the media -- and ''a few here on Nomad''?
Nomads contributing to sensationalism in Baja? Whatever you're smoking I want some.
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I hear it's legal in Colorado, Lee! Enjoy your evening.
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I would strongly suggest getting plates if at all possible. Back in
1981 I took a brand new Nissan truck without plates to La Paz.
Had a great time and was about to leave to go to pick up some
shrimp a t a friends house in Los Bariles, before the long drive to
the USA. As I headed out of town I was being tailed
by a Federal de los Caminos who pulled me over as soon as I
cleared the city limits. He Impounded my car for "Falta de Placas"
They did not care what was acceptable in the USA, I was in
Mexico and in violation of their "letter of the law" It took a lot of
fast work ,apologies, and help from the La Paz Tourism
department to get my truck back. The tourism people were
crestfallen when they found out it was the Federales. If it were
Transito, Municpal or the city cops it would have been no problem.
Well within their sphere of influence. But they said I was at the
mercy of the Jefe of the Federales de Caminos BCS.
Not fun and I speak the language. I was told that they have been
in the habit of unjustly taking cars and that they were going to kill
what little tourism they had with all the bad press.
So like speeding everyone does it without getting caught, but
when YOU are caught it is a whole different story.
Don't give them an opportunity.
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Lee
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| Quote: Originally posted by vacaenbaja | I would strongly suggest getting plates if at all possible. Back in
1981 I took a brand new Nissan truck without plates to La Paz.
Had a great time and was about to leave to go to pick up some
shrimp a t a friends house in Los Bariles, before the long drive to
the USA. As I headed out of town I was being tailed
by a Federal de los Caminos who pulled me over as soon as I
cleared the city limits. He Impounded my car for "Falta de Placas"
They did not care what was acceptable in the USA, I was in
Mexico and in violation of their "letter of the law" It took a lot of
fast work ,apologies, and help from the La Paz Tourism
department to get my truck back. The tourism people were
crestfallen when they found out it was the Federales. If it were
Transito, Municpal or the city cops it would have been no problem.
Well within their sphere of influence. But they said I was at the
mercy of the Jefe of the Federales de Caminos BCS.
Not fun and I speak the language. I was told that they have been
in the habit of unjustly taking cars and that they were going to kill
what little tourism they had with all the bad press.
So like speeding everyone does it without getting caught, but
when YOU are caught it is a whole different story.
Don't give them an opportunity.
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Just a reminder: US laws are meaningless down here. You are guilty until you prove your innocence. (That'll probably take mucho pesos.)
Cops profile US plated cars and tourists.
Just the way it is. Doesn't mean anything to me.
Game on.
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