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David K
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Still seeking new photos of the Guadalupe mission site that is 14 miles north of this road on a side road. Many thanks!
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Gulliver
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If I don't leave my bones up there. This solo riding requires discretion and good sense both of which I am in short supply. Barbara has finally made
me leave Daniel's cell phone number with her so she can call out the cavalry if I don't show up.
I brought down some camp gear this year so I can avoid that stinking night ride back from Mission Guadalupe. I think the cows down here are
photochromic like fancy sunglasses. White during the day and black at night.
I'll try to remember to take some pictures of anything particularly ugly. Besides me, that is.
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MulegeAL
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Enjoy the ride, safe travels, no hurry!
Maybe try the shortcut over the mesa to Cadeje, it was graded and had dirt on top! Also had an over the fender water crossing at the bottom!
I'm guessing 12 watercrossings on the Pacific side. Lost count last season at 20+ !
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BigBearRider
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Wow.
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willyAirstream
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We will have a up to date report tomorrow. 5 nomads are on their to SJ from Mulege today.
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AKgringo
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Looking forward to the report. That route was one of the ones I wanted to check out this year (sadly, I am still in Northern CA).
I will be driving a 2 door Kia Sportage pulling a sturdy camp trailer. It is better than average off road, but not a serious rock crawler, or deep
water rig. Curious to know if that drive is do-able for me.
For a day or two, or three, the trailer could stay in Mulege if the road is marginal.
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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Gulliver
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I'm down with a case of evil tamale disease so I won't be headed out that way for a day or two. I never get upset stomach down here! A first for me
and I'm a complete fool for street food.
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motoged
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I have ridden this road over a dozen times since 2005 by moto and would NEVER want to do it in a 4 wheel vehicle ( not meaning 4-wheel drive) I owned
unless it was designed for off-road use (which does NOT include my Silverado 4X4)....but would do it in a heartbeat by bike regardless of what the
storms have done to it.
So.....I suggest "NO" to the trailer idea.....but "Go for it" with your Sportage ......it is a route to be savoured and respected simply for the
terrain, if nothing else.
PS. I would drive it in someone else's 4 wheel vehicle 
Don't believe everything you think....
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dtbushpilot
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Quote: Originally posted by motoged  |
I have ridden this road over a dozen times since 2005 by moto and would NEVER want to do it in a 4 wheel vehicle ( not meaning 4-wheel drive) I owned
unless it was designed for off-road use (which does NOT include my Silverado 4X4)....but would do it in a heartbeat by bike regardless of what the
storms have done to it.
So.....I suggest "NO" to the trailer idea.....but "Go for it" with your Sportage ......it is a route to be savoured and respected simply for the
terrain, if nothing else.
PS. I would drive it in someone else's 4 wheel vehicle
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PS, I have one, let's try it, if it gets too rough we can go back and get the bikes 
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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AKgringo
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| Quote: Originally posted by motoged |
So.....I suggest "NO" to the trailer idea.....but "Go for it" with your Sportage ......it is a route to be savoured and respected simply for the
terrain, if nothing else.
PS. I would drive it in someone else's 4 wheel vehicle
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I will keep that advice in mind, and 'IF' I get down there this season I will try it without the trailer. That is, unless I find someone else to
travel the road with that could help if I get jammed up!
I do want to push the limits a bit with the trailer, I have a few tricks for self recovery that I need to try in a real world setting. I will need it
if I am going to haul your stuff to the coast south of Agua Verde next winter!
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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MulegeAL
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Agua V camino is a good road compared to San Raymundo arroyo!
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willyAirstream
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I am always up for a ride. I will follow you and pick up the pieces from the trailer. A normal camp trailer will be a problem, while an overland type
trailer might do ok. JB and friends are in SJ, but haven't said which way they went.
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AKgringo
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I should not have called it a camp trailer, it is a 4' x 6' utility trailer that I haul some of my camping gear, gas and other stuff in. It has
better clearance than the tow vehicle, and a heavy duty frame and axle.
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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BajaBlanca
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I don't care what vehicle you take - you are very courageous to do this bit. Les and I did it in our go anywhere and climb anything Geo Tracker and I
really thought we were goners.
What a rough road and how desolate.
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AKgringo
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| Quote: Originally posted by BajaBlanca | I don't care what vehicle you take - you are very courageous to do this bit. Les and I did it in our go anywhere and climb anything Geo Tracker and I
really thought we were goners.
What a rough road and how desolate. |
Blanca, good to know you made it in a Geo. My Kia is very similar, with a slightly larger engine.
Rough and desolate is what I look for, if I barely make it through with no serious damage, it is a good road!
Last year I drove about 700 miles of back road, and off road, and the 40 or 50 miles of washboard north of your place was the only stretch I wish I
had avoided. I don't know how often they grade it, but on that day, it was a 4 or 40 road (mph)
I will check for updates if I decide to drive down from B.A. to check out your place.
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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StuckSucks
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Here's a map I made of the road on Google Maps.
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BigBearRider
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Excellent map. Thanks. That is what I thought the leg looked like, looking at my wall map and the Almanac.
Blue=pavement? Right? Right?
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motoged
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AK,
Go for it with the trailer..... the vehicle issues I have witnessed on that road are:
Flats w/ no spare
Totally destroyed ball point/ swing arm
Stuck in sand
The local ranchers do it all the time in various pickups, so it is travelled.....it's pretty much an issue of "How much adventure/risk do you want".
Some folks freak out when they see some sections....others just downshift, grin and raise their elbows a bit....
I will work on arranging a trip next December/early January (year from now) with DTBushpilot in his FJ so I can be the navigator drinking beer telling
him what to do....I sure he will be all over that
Don't believe everything you think....
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Gulliver
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Blue is NOT pavement!! As noted previously, there is a mile or so of pavement leaving Mulege, one paved driveway over near San Juanico and one 200
meter 'paved' climb about 20 miles out of Mulege as you are climbing the gorge.
All else is a mixture of nice relatively smooth straight roads graded out through the desert (the first 15 miles just to suck you in), a lot of 'dry'
washes with loose round rocks, rat trap canyon bottoms where the road cuts back and forth across the wash, more easy stuff and then miles of following
the wash to the Pacific with wash crossing after wash crossing.
As noted, the locals navigate this with junky old 2WD pickups. I know practically nothing about four wheel navigation but my feeling is that ground
clearance and patience will help. Go fast; bust something. I average 25 mph on my motorcycle but I have a foot of suspension travel, I'm only four
inches wide on the ground and I've been riding like a fool since I was 15 years old. 57 years of it. Selah.
If I every get over the crud I will post a more detailed account with pictures, mileages and GPS locations. Until then, I am staying within striking
distance of the bano.
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David K
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Hope you feel better soon, Gulliver!
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