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Speculation in San Ignacio is where the road will cross the canyon/water to get to Hwy1. Not many solutions for that connection. For sure they expect
it to bypass the town.
Seems inevitable that a thru road will happen to connect Hwy1 to Insurgentes
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Quote: Originally posted by mcnut  | Sorry for the redundant post Tom. Either it took me an hour to dig up or your post didn't display right away for me.
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No problem and I think you are right they want a paved road so the tourist can see the whales. Think $$$$$ not that it is bad everyone needs to make a
living.
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Also several years ago there was talk of a toll road from BC Sur to BC and it was to come by way of the Laguna area. Not much talk now I think because
as David pointed out the towns along the Sea of Cortez don't want it or will delay it as long as possible. The toll road was to be a private built
road like the one from TJ to Mexicali. Same company maybe.
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David K
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| Quote: Originally posted by PaulW | Speculation in San Ignacio is where the road will cross the canyon/water to get to Hwy1. Not many solutions for that connection. For sure they expect
it to bypass the town.
Seems inevitable that a thru road will happen to connect Hwy1 to Insurgentes |
The river is underground once you are more than a couple miles from town. Of course, you need a bridge for the flash floods.
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Here is a piece of our 1780 mile vacation travel from San Felipe to Del Cobo and back.
** Heading to San Ignacio northbound from Insurgentes via Datil we found 90 miles of pavement with a couple of short construction zones. Then 78 miles
of dirt using the low beach road. (The dirt starts at the junction at San Jaunico when heading north). Then we crossed the dike which is 3 miles long
including the hill near the north end. There are several bad places on the dike requiring careful tire placement. No evidence of construction south of
the pavement end. Then 29.7 miles of pavement on the way to San Ignacio with one dirt section with lots of dust.
Lots of fun with the children in Datil. I bet they have not seen any tourists in a long time. The kids are sticker hungry.
Doing the math and we found from Insurgentes it is 175 miles shorter by way of Datil vs Hwy 1 via Mulege. The result is a huge time savings. If one
takes the high road is probably is slower because the super fast beach road is so good. We went south during the full moon and the beach road was no
go, but our return traveling north was much better due to low tide.
We found many vehicles using the beach route on our return.
** And from L Chapala heading north traffic was considerable. The word is out and Hwy 5 is being used by all kinds of vehicles including many big
rigs. Some of the subcompact vehicles and RVs are creeping pretty slow in the area between the construction haul roads and Coco’s. However the all the
dirt portion is getting better all the time due to all the use.
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Thanks, PaulW. That was a very informative post.
“Sometimes the questions are complicated and the answers are simple.” Dr. Seuss
“Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it.” George Bernard Shaw
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Ditto to that!
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | As far back as 1973, a paved highway from San Ignacio south to join Hwy. 1 at Insurgentes had been proposed. This was to cut over 100 miles and two
steep grades for traffic north and south of those two towns.
The businesses of Santa Rosalia, Mulege and Loreto were not happy with losing all that potential business from the soon to open Transpeninsular
Highway. The plan was shelved, but pavement was extended from Insurgentes north to La Purísima and more recently to San Juanico. Close to half of the
distance with the road south from San Ignacio included.
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I guess I was foolishly under the impression that the paved road from San Ignacio out to the lagoon was going to get more tenderfoot gingos to go out
there and see the whales.
Not to mention that a couple of van drivers I met in town who take tourists out to the lagoon from San Ignacio were really hoping they could have
pavement from town to to the lagoon so they could have their vehicles for more years. The road out from town has been historically difficult for
anything but 4 wheel vehicle and big trucks.
I always figured that the towns along Mex1 would do anything they could to prevent what would ultimately be a shorter route to La Paz and Cabo.
As it stands today, for the tenderfoot gringos, Guerrero Negro continues to be the easier place to drive to see the whales.
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Agree it's about 25 miles of pavement beginning just outside of town (as I recall from last April). The final 10-15 miles (depending on which camp you
go to) can still be pretty rough in places.
But today is nothing like the old "road" full of volcanic rocks, sand, washboard etc. That was hours of driving unless you were willing to beat up
your vehicle.
As someone who used to go out there on the "old" road, from mid-80s to 2004, this is tame... but much easier on vehicles for the locals.
The pavement was part of the "grand bargain" for the lagoon community when Zedillo blocked the saltworks expansion in 2000, as he left office. It's
made a lot more investment possible.
\"Probably the airplanes will bring week-enders from Los Angeles before long, and the beautiful poor bedraggled old town will bloom with a
Floridian ugliness.\" (John Steinbeck, 1940, discussing the future of La Paz, BCS, Mexico)
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Hello all - this is perfect timing. I have 2 nieces and a bunch of amigos of theirs who are coming inn a week to head to san juanico.
what is the best way for them to go?
they are not used to baja roads at all but they are looking to rent a 4 wheel drive vehicle that will fit all of them.
any details would be great ~ Blanca
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| Quote: Originally posted by Whale-ista | Agree it's about 25 miles of pavement beginning just outside of town (as I recall from last April). The final 10-15 miles (depending on which camp you
go to) can still be pretty rough in places.
But today is nothing like the old "road" full of volcanic rocks, sand, washboard etc. That was hours of driving unless you were willing to beat up
your vehicle.
As someone who used to go out there on the "old" road, from mid-80s to 2004, this is tame... but much easier on vehicles for the locals.
The pavement was part of the "grand bargain" for the lagoon community when Zedillo blocked the saltworks expansion in 2000, as he left office. It's
made a lot more investment possible.
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I find that very interesting.
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Blanca
the road out of SI would be the way to go. any map will give them the approx. mileage so give them a map and circle Datil. when they get to Datil have
them ask around for the latest on the roads/tides. ts very easy to get off the proper track and get stuck or lost/stuck. if they end up on the middle
or upper road they will go slow and eventually arrive. make sure they bring food and water, just in case, and prepare to spend the night if stuck.
they can always burn the spare tire for a signal if they end up lost and stuck! haven't heard much about the east road from Mulege/San Isidro lately.
that used to be a good one but with the storms it may be bad still. there's always the long way past Loreto and around up from the south which they
wouldn't need the 4x4 except to drive along the beach roads which are pretty sandy.
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First time driving in Baja, rental 4x4, I would not send them down that road/trail without an escort by some one who knows the way!
The last time I drove it going south, I was following Baja 1k course markers, and still had trouble between the end of the pavement and Datile. I
even spent a couple of hours helping a local produce truck getting unstuck!
Beside water hazards, a stiff onshore wind can drift enough sand to obscure the main trail, or hide a mud bog. Also, is their Spanish good enough to
get accurate information from the locals?
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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The low road goes on salt/ mud flats... that might get wet during full or new moon phases... ie. every 2 weeks.
This is Baja 1000 race route territory and depending on the tide, the low road was a blessing or a curse! The high road was the rough-slow, but sure
way to get through.
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Here's a video I made while prerunning the 2012 Mil - the high road from S Ignacio to S Juanico. My GoPro battery was dead and would only shoot 30
seconds or a minute at a time, and then die. I was able power up a bunch of times to get this video. Watch for the ground speed (mph) on the GPS.
http://pizzamanagement.com/prerunning-the-2012-baja-1000/
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that's a great representation of the road you'll be dealing with. go slow and you'll arrive to a place that rivals Malibu, CA. crowds, dogs, kids,
etc... after 100 miles of dirt you'll come over the hill and realize that after all of the struggle, EVERY ONE of the people you hoped would stay home
didn't......
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Woody,
What do you mean by "The East road from Mulege to Isidro"? If you mean the road from near El Rosarito, South of Bahia Conception heading west over
the divide to Isidro, it is quite passable for any vehicle with some clearance.
I wouldn't take my wife's Suzuki Swift over that route but 4WD is not necessary. I was over it a few weeks ago on my bike but that doesn't count.
I can average 30 because of a foot of suspension travel, only being 4" wide and no brains.
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| Quote: Originally posted by woody with a view | that's a great representation of the road you'll be dealing with. go slow and you'll arrive to a place that rivals Malibu, CA. crowds, dogs, kids,
etc... after 100 miles of dirt you'll come over the hill and realize that after all of the struggle, EVERY ONE of the people you hoped would stay home
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And with a bit of introspection you will realize you are no different than them.
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Gulliver, that's the one. it's been awhile.
Goat, i realized that a long time ago. i''ll never go back-it's my way of paying it forward for the rest of the hordes that follow.
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