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David K
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Quote: Originally posted by Barry A.  | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | | BajaNomad and family camp there. The road to Bahia Guadalupe/Remedios has been off maps forever... I checked it out in 2001/2002.
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True, David. We did see several old vehicle tracks on the rough cobble beaches of Bahia Guadalupe (Pescadores) and the sandy wash (Mesa de Yubay)
that feeds into the Sea there, back in the '70's/'80's, but never any veh. tracks at Ensenada Alcatraz. Harald's revelation that Alcatraz was also
accessible by vehicle really caught me by surprise. I have spent a lot of time walking Alcatraz as it was so pristine and beautiful---much nicer and
cleaner than the cobble beaches at Pescadores (see Almanac map) back then, as I remember. |
Erle Stanley Gardner's map from his 1961 'Hovering Over Baja'
The 2009 Almanac with the roads north of L.A. Bay penciled in.
AAA Map with new roads penciled-in. Note, mileages on the roads north of L.A. Bay.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Barry A. | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | | BajaNomad and family camp there. The road to Bahia Guadalupe/Remedios has been off maps forever... I checked it out in 2001/2002.
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True, David. We did see several old vehicle tracks on the rough cobble beaches of Bahia Guadalupe (Pescadores) and the sandy wash (Mesa de Yubay)
that feeds into the Sea there, back in the '70's/'80's, but never any veh. tracks at Ensenada Alcatraz. Harald's revelation that Alcatraz was also
accessible by vehicle really caught me by surprise. I have spent a lot of time walking Alcatraz as it was so pristine and beautiful---much nicer and
cleaner than the cobble beaches at Pescadores (see Almanac map) back then, as I remember. |
it get's better - the small estero on the north/south beach part of Alcatraz has remnants of a pier. Maybe at times the El Toro ore was shipped from
there. That would explain the trail going north.
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I'd heard they shipped from a pier along that stretch of coast but never thought of looking at GE for it. Good catch! I trolled once inshore along
that stretch from Alcatraz to La Gringa and looked for signs but couldn't see anything. It may have been high tide and all we could see was another
rock pile to snag a lure on. I do remember the estero and large gravel bar fronting it, so it shouldn't be too hard to find. Unfortunately the
fishing wasn't spectacular so it's not a place I routinely go to.
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Is there any piles of copper ore by the beach there, as there is (was) at La Gringa?
How was ore transported, by burro? They built a wagon road to La Gringa in advance of the proposed aerial tramway.
I am going to guess La Gringa was a far superior port, as any wind just churns up the Sea of Cortez making open landing near impossible. La Gringa
remains calm and protected.
Great new Baja mysteries!!
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Disregard what I was saying above. I finally looked at GE the the pier shown is not the same estero I was thinking of. I remembered seeing one
almost due east of the mine area and thought it was the one 4x4 was showing. I found the estero above on GE and I've also been right by it in a boat
and didn't see anything. I need to be more observant. Maybe a trip is in order next winter.
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David,
what else is in that Gardner book you mentioned above?
(Erle Stanley Gardner's map from his 1961 'Hovering Over Baja')
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| Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc | David,
what else is in that Gardner book you mentioned above?
(Erle Stanley Gardner's map from his 1961 'Hovering Over Baja') |
It's about getting into the palm canyons north of L.A. Bay, mainly Salsipuedes (which means get OUT if you can... to Gardner, it meant get IN if you
can).
They tried by land and by sea...
But, it was by AIR that proved to be the best way!
[Edited on 4-30-2016 by David K]
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I will check Karl's collection
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Please read as much as you can to find all sorts of gems in those books!
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If you search for posts by larryC, you will see where he found that cliff where the Gardner team lowered their Pak-Jaks down into the canyon by rope.
EDIT: Found it... lot's of great photos!: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=33067
[Edited on 4-30-2016 by David K]
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