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thebajarunner
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Wow, you don't have to be an economist or an actuary to see the financial impact on Baja.
Obviously none of you nay-sayers have been in Ensenada in November.
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SFandH
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The Ensenada hotels, restaurants, and stores along the harbor have 5 or 10 good days out of 365 every year. Not a lot of money compared to the
everyday commerce of the entire city of over 1/2 million people.
[Edited on 10-12-2018 by SFandH]
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weebray
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A long time ago rational and educated people worldwide realized that man has, comprehensively, caused a dangerous negative change in the Earth's
climate. This fact is no longer subject to debate. There is a statistically unimportant tiny minority that clings to denial of that fact. Do not be
distracted by these vacuous quacks. We don't have time for folly.
Every beautiful beach in the world needs a few condo towers - NOT.
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Hook
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Quote: Originally posted by thebajarunner  | Wow, you don't have to be an economist or an actuary to see the financial impact on Baja.
Obviously none of you nay-sayers have been in Ensenada in November. |
Is life only to be measured in financial impact and economic measures? Is there anything more than this?
The cartels certainly think so. Do you?
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David K
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| Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | Not at all, I am very calm and my words are factual and logical.
You seem to follow Karl Marx and Lenin with the notion that if you repeat a lie enough times, it will become the truth?
If the race is canceled, it will be an economic disaster to all in Mexico who usually benefit and plan their lives for it. Damage to roads, while
real, are minuscule to the damage done by Nature. |
It will be an economic disaster to all in Mexico?
You mean mostly the fat cats that set up the the terrain erosion event, and perhaps a few Mexican shops that sell cheap souvenirs, and a few tacos.
That's hardly everybody in all of Mexico.
Whatever money the event makes, pales in comparison, to the environmental damage the event does to the ecosystem, the flora, and fauna, not to mention
the animal mortality, and all the garbage left behind by the race, alone with the noise pollution.
Somehow Mexico, will survive without the race.
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You didn't quote enough as you wanted to twist to what you wanted to hear. So, let's be clear that I didn't just say all in Mexico... I said, "all in
Mexico WHO USUALLY BENEFIT AND PLAN THEIR LIVES FOR IT"
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TMW
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Here is one of the few studies done concerning the race and it's impact.
https://www.witpress.com/Secure/elibrary/papers/ST10/ST10038...
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JoeJustJoe
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That's not so much of a study, then wishful thinking of tourism board.
The study even said it needs an ecological impact report.
It's sad to hear the desert race will still go on, after the sponsors pony up to the Mexican EPA, a large fine/deposit, because the last time the the
race course carelessly went over some protected areas, and destroyed some rare plant life.
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Ken Cooke
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| Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe |
That's not so much of a study, then wishful thinking of tourism board.
The study even said it needs an ecological impact report.
It's sad to hear the desert race will still go on, after the sponsors pony up to the Mexican EPA, a large fine/deposit, because the last time the the
race course carelessly went over some protected areas, and destroyed some rare plant life.
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I'm curious to see exactly what plant life was actually disturbed. There are no photos, only words.
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Archie
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This is the official communicate from the PROFEPA website
https://www.gob.mx/profepa/prensa/multa-profepa-con-mas-de-5...
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John M
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From a race car?
Doesn't much look like debris from a race car in the bottom photo.
JM
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Ken Cooke
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Raza needs to clean up after attending a race. Speed limits may need to take place through protected areas to cut down on erosion and damage to
vegetation. This is tough, but SCORE has its work cut out for themselves.
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PaulW
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Yup. The debris is not from the racers. It is from the local spectators. It is a Mexican thing - just dump your waste on the ground and go home. In
some locations the locals get organized and clean up the really bad places. I know of one rancher near San Felipe that pays a bunch of people to clean
up the stuff. He does that to minimize having his cows eat the stuff. There is always the collection on aluminum after each race, but sadly the rest
of the debris just gets blown away by the wind.
That is how it is.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by PaulW | Yup. The debris is not from the racers. It is from the local spectators. It is a Mexican thing - just dump your waste on the ground and go home. In
some locations the locals get organized and clean up the really bad places. I know of one rancher near San Felipe that pays a bunch of people to clean
up the stuff. He does that to minimize having his cows eat the stuff. There is always the collection on aluminum after each race, but sadly the rest
of the debris just gets blown away by the wind.
That is how it is. |
It should be the race organizers responsibility to clean up after the spectators. If the race organizer can not afford to clean up, he should raise
fees or get out of the business. It is irresponsible of the organizer to draw the people out into the desert, then say “not my problem.”
If the organizer can not afford to clean up after his mess, he should buy a ranch and make a loop course, use a smaller footprint where he can get a
handle on his problem.
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ehall
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It's back on.
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bajatrailrider
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Yes Ed it is back on sorry for you nomad blow hards. Now the blow hards can start on the yucca rappers and new mines .don't forget all the new roads
that are biult everyday. 🤗
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Archie
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where did you read that?
All i´ve seen its a comment from the tourism office in Ensenada, who by he way, has no authority for granting or denying the authorization.
Even if they pay the fine, thats related to 2017 baja 1000; the 2018 edition has not been cleared for the environmental impact manifest. The´ll have
a meeting next week to work on that.
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JoeJustJoe
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No wonder why some local Mexican land owners, and Mexican environmentalists, were so upset over the Baja 1000, and other Baja races.
The course changes from year to year for added excitement, and more ecological damage, with little or no regulations. Then you have cheating racers,
going off course to get a cheaters advantage, but destroying fragile endangered areas they trample over.
There are also complaints of Noisy rally vehicles and spectators, helicopters flying overhead, trash,destroyed fences placed, vehicles illegally
getting off the established route to gain time, and even cactus burning.
The Mexican land owners, mention that in the US, these kinds of races are prohibited and Mexico, should have similar rules, and I agree.
The Baja 1000 should be moved to a place like Death Valley, where Americans racers can ruin their own environment in the US. Who knows, the US
current administration, doesn't seem to care about the enviroment at all, and may allow something like the "Death Valley 1000."
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The Baja 1000 car race and its impact on rural communities
The Off-Road Baja 1000 race takes place each year on Mexico’s Baja California peninsula through rough terrain. The route changes each year,
adding excitement for the participants but causing increased damage to the area
No studies have been made to quantify the environmental or socioeconomic impacts so the profit and loss relationships are unknown.
The peninsula particularly possesses natural resources by virtue of its beauty, uniqueness and delicacy, establishing two great protected
areas: Valle de los Cirios in Baja California State and El Vizcaíno in Baja California Sur State.
This study reviews the paths covered by the Baja 1000 races of 2005 and 2006 using GIS. Analyses of the ecological footprint left by the
motorcycles and cars show the identification of various impacts to the natural environment, such as ecosystem fragmentation, deforestation of
botanical species, animal mortality and terrain erosion, as well as garbage left by the race spectators along diverse sites directly affecting the
soil, groundwater table, flora and fauna.
Recommendations from this study include the need to control the OffRoad races by means of an Official Norm that regulates these activities and
to offer environmental education to the community to make them aware of the impacts they are causing.
https://www.witpress.com/Secure/elibrary/papers/ST10/ST10038...
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mtgoat666
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The baja 1000 is a chit show.
The fact that people like to watch racing does not justify it.
People like to watch c-ck fighting and dog fighting and porn, but that does not justify any of those activities.
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willardguy
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seriously......does ANYONE give two chits what these two knuckleheads think about offroad racing  how bout jjj crawl back to the OT and the mountain troll.....well who cares?
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TMW
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John M noted it was the lophocereus schottii cacti pictured below. Also known as the big penis cactus.
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