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I can agree with you that not all walls are the same. I also agree that this should be decided by our Congressional representatives. I am disappointed
that our elected officials are seemingly unable to get things done and instead spend all their time pointing fingers and trying to make themselves
look good.
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Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco  | | How many people have considered the implications of a wall and have removed the fencing between their neighbors? Must be a crisis brewing with the
landfills being overwhelmed with fence material and all. I hope someone can figure out a viable recycling project for all of this material that is
going to waste. Until that is figured out, I will keep the wall around my house- just doing my part to be green. |
I don't have a fence between me and my neighbors, and I don't feel unsafe at all. If somebody comes over who is not invited, I will be alerted by my
dogs, and if they are a threat I will either call the police, or bring out weapons, with includes guns.
A wall will be a waste of money and will not stop a determined persons who can always go around, under, or through the wall......you also don't own
the USA
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| Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama | | The bottom line is even with a new wall we need more border patrol officers and personnel to handle all of the immigrants seeking asylum. With the
new technology and more border patrol personnel we can do without a useless and expensive wall. We can do more agents/personnel w/o a wall, but you
can't do a wall w/o more agents/personnel. so why bother with a presidential vanity project expensive that only his idiotic base wants?
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I have a great high tech security system that alerts me to any intrusion on my property wherever I am on my smart phone. I can watch any intrusion in
real time. By the time I can call police and they can respond, the intruder is long gone. A poor solution would be hiring enough police to carpet
every inch of territory and pay for that. I would much prefer a wall like the celebrity’s and politicians have. The US system is now set up
requiring those breaching the US borders to be admitted until their case for asylum can be evaluated. An open border and high tech detection invites
the mobs swarming the border and simply being able to watch as it happens. We have enough welfare expense we can’t afford in our trillion dollar
yearly deficit without taking on more.
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Like tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations we can't afford? Like corporate welfare (subsidies and price support) to farms, oil companies
(depletion allowances, cheap exploration leases), etc? How about our bloated DOD budget that supports the MIC (Boeing/Northrop/Halliburton)?
Have you ever considered those programs as "welfare" or just poor people, unemployed, asylum seekers, refugees, and starving children?
John
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Tioloco
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LancairDriver- Spot on!
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| Quote: Originally posted by John Harper |
Like tax cuts for the wealthy we can't afford? Like corporate welfare to farms, oil companies, etc? Like our bloated DOD budget that supports the
MIC? Have you ever considered those programs as "welfare" or just poor people, unemployed, asylum seekers, refugees, and starving children?
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Tioloco
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Exactly like those as well, John
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| Quote: Originally posted by John Harper |
Like tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations we can't afford? Like corporate welfare (subsidies and price support) to farms, oil companies
(depletion allowances, cheap exploration leases), etc? How about our bloated DOD budget that supports the MIC (Boeing/Northrop/Halliburton)?
Have you ever considered those programs as "welfare" or just poor people, unemployed, asylum seekers, refugees, and starving children?
John
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I don’t think there is anyone who opposes the programs you mention any more than I do, unless it is Ron Paul.
Today it was reported the Pentagon is having to return som 27 billion to Congress that they couldn’t spend fast enough and have to return. What
happens to this money? Unfortunately there isn’t a single district in the US that doesn’t have a politician beholden to supporting most of these
programs. Ever watch the chaos when they try to close some military or other government facility? It is political suicide for the politician whose
district contains one of these facilities to support closing it. A good start would be to get the sheep to stop believing the scare tactics employed
to justify supporting 100+military bases around the world that they justify by hyping the idea we are in mortal danger from foreign entities. Cutting
back drastically on this bloated budget could free up a fortune in US infrastructure projects that would employ legal citizens who want to work and
cut down on the need for massive welfare payments.
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| Quote: Originally posted by LancairDriver | | Quote: Originally posted by John Harper |
Like tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations we can't afford? Like corporate welfare (subsidies and price support) to farms, oil companies
(depletion allowances, cheap exploration leases), etc? How about our bloated DOD budget that supports the MIC (Boeing/Northrop/Halliburton)?
Have you ever considered those programs as "welfare" or just poor people, unemployed, asylum seekers, refugees, and starving children?
John
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I don’t think there is anyone who opposes the programs you mention any more than I do, unless it is Ron Paul.
Today it was reported the Pentagon is having to return som 27 billion to Congress that they couldn’t spend fast enough and have to return. What
happens to this money? Unfortunately there isn’t a single district in the US that doesn’t have a politician beholden to supporting most of these
programs. Ever watch the chaos when they try to close some military or other government facility? It is political suicide for the politician whose
district contains one of these facilities to support closing it. A good start would be to get the sheep to stop believing the scare tactics employed
to justify supporting 100+military bases around the world that they justify by hyping the idea we are in mortal danger from foreign entities. Cutting
back drastically on this bloated budget could free up a fortune in US infrastructure projects that would employ legal citizens who want to work and
cut down on the need for massive welfare payments. |
That will never happen, it makes too much sense.
John
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| Quote: Originally posted by LancairDriver | | Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama | | The bottom line is even with a new wall we need more border patrol officers and personnel to handle all of the immigrants seeking asylum. With the
new technology and more border patrol personnel we can do without a useless and expensive wall. We can do more agents/personnel w/o a wall, but you
can't do a wall w/o more agents/personnel. so why bother with a presidential vanity project expensive that only his idiotic base wants?
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I have a great high tech security system that alerts me to any intrusion on my property wherever I am on my smart phone. I can watch any intrusion in
real time. By the time I can call police and they can respond, the intruder is long gone. A poor solution would be hiring enough police to carpet
every inch of territory and pay for that. I would much prefer a wall like the celebrity’s and politicians have. The US system is now set up
requiring those breaching the US borders to be admitted until their case for asylum can be evaluated. An open border and high tech detection invites
the mobs swarming the border and simply being able to watch as it happens. We have enough welfare expense we can’t afford in our trillion dollar
yearly deficit without taking on more. |
Winner!
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Today 800,000 Federal workers were not paid because of the wall Gov shutdown.
Today in the news, the border patrol, showed Trump, where tunnels have already been dug where there is already an existing wall.
Test on the prototype steel slats, show a chain saw could cut right through them.
It looks like the wall is pretty ineffective, yet the President is standing firm for this base and the pundits
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Test of steel prototype for border wall showed it could be sawed through
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/test-steel-prot...
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| Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe | Today 800,000 Federal workers were not paid because of the wall Gov shutdown.
Today in the news, the border patrol, showed Trump, where tunnels have already been dug where there is already an existing wall.
Test on the prototype steel slats, show a chain saw could cut right through them.
It looks like the wall is pretty ineffective, yet the President is standing firm for this base and the pundits
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Test of steel prototype for border wall showed it could be sawed through
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/test-steel-prot... |
You left out a few qualifiers..
"Responding to the picture from the South Lawn of the White House on Thursday morning, Trump claimed "that’s a wall designed by previous
administrations."
While it is true that previous administrations used this design, the prototype was built during his
administration"
"While the design currently being constructed was informed by what we learned in the prototypes, it does not
replicate those designs," said Waldman.
"The steel bollard design is internally reinforced with materials that require time and multiple industrial
tools to breach, thereby providing U.S. Border Patrol agents additional response time to affect a successful law enforcement resolution. In the
event that one of the steel bollards becomes damaged, it is quick and cost-effective to repair"
"The professionals on the border know that a wall system is intended not only to prevent entry, it is intended
to defer and to increase the amount of time and effort it takes for one to enter so that we can respond with limited border patrol agents. Even
a wall that is being breached is a valuable tool in that it allows us to respond to the attempted illegal entry."
In response to KPBS, CBP spokesman Ralph DeSio said the prototypes "were not and cannot be designed to be indestructible," but were designed to
"impede or deny efforts to scale, breach, or dig under such a barrier, giving agents time to respond."
Pay keen attention to:...."The professionals on the border" which YOU are not.
At any rate......a chain saw to slice through steel is STOOOOPID.
Stick with oak or pine logs for a chain saw.
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I wonder what a couple drums of ANFO would do?
John
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The Need to Get Past Trump
As great as it would be to move past Trump, it doesn't look likely in (at least) the near future.
Although there are parallels, unlike an infestation of Cockroaches, baited traps won't work in his case.
Barring a Lucky Strike, 2020 may be the earliest we have a chance of saying A - M - F to the
Ass.
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AOC is a Gift
To the GOP.
The most over-hyped inexperienced politician since Jesse Ventura is guaranteed to provide the Fox network with a regular stream of
inflammatory and inappropriate comments on a weekly basis unless she's restrained by Madame Speaker.
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| Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM | To the GOP.
The most over-hyped inexperienced politician since Jesse Ventura is guaranteed to provide the Fox network with a regular stream of
inflammatory and inappropriate comments on a weekly basis unless she's restrained by Madame Speaker. |
+1
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| Quote: Originally posted by John Harper | | Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM | To the GOP.
The most over-hyped inexperienced politician since Jesse Ventura is guaranteed to provide the Fox network with a regular stream of
inflammatory and inappropriate comments on a weekly basis unless she's restrained by Madame Speaker. |
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Oh what a shame(sham) that GoFundMe decided to refund all the money to those who contributed to build the wall. They are very lucky they are even
getting their money back from the scammers.
The GoFundMe Campaign to Build Trump’s Wall Crashes and Burns
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Somebody took it Seriously ?
Well, "there's one born every minute" so they say.
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63 million in the U.S. alone.
John
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