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AKgringo
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Quote: Originally posted by David K  | I think it is '4Runner' (Four-Runner)?
The Toyota 4Runner is not as available because people keep them longer, plus the hold their value so the price is higher.
Then, I suggested keeping an eye open for Mitsubishi Monteros and Isuzu Troopers... Any opinions on those two or other SUV/ 4WD wagons?
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David, it is fore, as in before! I am sure that they came in both 2wd, and 4wd, and the name probably came from forerunning the Baja races.
About the Trooper....I bought one last year, and I like it a lot! I found a 1999 Trooper with a 108 thousand miles on, and everything worked! It was
about half the price of some of the 4runners on the market, and most of them had twice the mileage.
It is stock configuration, very capable in 2wd, and quite a crawler when I put it in 4 low. It is also an excellent vehicle in snow country.
The 3.5l v6 is strong enough for moderate towing with a GM auto transmission. Gas mileage has not been that great though. 16 to 17 on all highway,
12 to 14 around town, less with a lot of backroad driving.
I like the double back doors with a full size spare mounted on them. There are many design features that I am discovering, that I can't help but
think "That was a good idea!"
One consideration is parts and service. I am sure that Jeep, or Toyota would be much easier to find than Isuzu, but they share a lot of parts with GM
and Honda.
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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David K
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Hmmm, when I Google Toyota Forerunner, it brings up links to 4Runner? When I come upon one on the highway, the badge on back reads 4Runner. Maybe
check www.toyota.com for the answer?
Thanks for playing the name game with me!
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| Quote: Originally posted by Maderita | steekers,
Are you looking for power? A Brit named Robert Bryce discovered that a 4.2L crankshaft will fit in a 4.0L block with very little modification (just
1/8" trim off the snout). Stroker kits are available to build your own; search eBay "Jeep stroker". Or you can by a built long block for $3,500 -
$5,000.
I swapped out my Wrangler YJ's 4.0L for a HESCO built "stroker" engine, bored and stroked to a 4.7L. Installed bigger fuel injectors, a bored out
throttle body, headers, adjustable MAP sensor, better air intake. Never had it on a dyno, but similar builds got 260+ HP. With a pair of paddle tires
on the rear, it kept up with the sand rails on Glamis and Gordon's dune runs. I should note that it took a few other mods to do that: Ford 8.8" rear
axle swap, slip yoke eliminator kit, shackle reverse kit, full roll cage, locking diffs, Fox shocks, custom clutch.
My first car was an AMC '66 Rambler, 232 CID straight 6. AMC stroked that to a 258 (4.2L), which I had in a number of AMC Hornets, a Gremlin X, and
Jeep CJ's. The 4.0L is a more modern version of that old engine. Too bad it couldn't remain in production, due to increasingly restrictive smog rules.
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Yes, looking for power and mechanically inclined. Built 2 off-road race cars (1600 and 12 car) and raced SCORE. Not building another race car, rather
a pre-runner. I am impressed with the track record of the 4.0 strokers and like the reliability. Looking for a killer deal on a stock vehicle having
an I6 in it. I have rebuilt all kinds of motors. I see deals out there for cheap, not in CA.
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Come on, man, it's a Chrysler product. Things are gonna fail. Spend the price premium and get a 4Runner. You will make up the price difference in
repairs and parts on a Cherokee, anyway. And you still wont have the reliability.
I have an 05 Wrangler with the in-line six HO engine. It's a reliable engine, but not a very efficient engine. I own the next to last year of the two
door Unlimited Wrangler. Even with driving it conservatively with an eye towards fuel economy, the best I can get is around 17 mpg. And that's keeping
it at 65 mph or below. Worse mileage in the city, of course; around 15 mpg.
A Cherokee is probably heavier, but it probably has better gearing for the highway.
For me, Chrysler is a company that has built some good drivetrain combinations over the years. But in nearly every model I can think of that friends
and I have owned (over the last 40 years or so) it's the nagging failure of little things that gets so exasperating.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by Hook | Come on, man, it's a Chrysler product. Things are gonna fail. Spend the price premium and get a 4Runner. You will make up the price difference in
repairs and parts on a Cherokee, anyway. And you still wont have the reliability.
I have an 05 Wrangler with the in-line six HO engine. It's a reliable engine, but not a very efficient engine. I own the next to last year of the two
door Unlimited Wrangler. Even with driving it conservatively with an eye towards fuel economy, the best I can get is around 17 mpg. And that's keeping
it at 65 mph or below. Worse mileage in the city, of course; around 15 mpg.
A Cherokee is probably heavier, but it probably has better gearing for the highway.
For me, Chrysler is a company that has built some good drivetrain combinations over the years. But in nearly every model I can think of that friends
and I have owned (over the last 40 years or so) it's the nagging failure of little things that gets so exasperating. |
The OP says he likes rebuilding broken engines and fixing failed mechanicals, so the Fiat product will be perfect for him.
Maybe someday he will realize that the jeep costs 3,000 less than the toyota, but the Jeep required 3,000 in parts and 400 labor hours to fix, and it
still has problems...
He doesn’t want a vehicle for traveling in baja, he wants a broken down car to work on in his driveway, he is just looking for a hobby project to
pass the spare time. Fiat products are great project cars for tinkerers, they require lots of tinkering 
Woke!
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will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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David K
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Before Fiat, Daimler, and Chrysler owned it (1987+), the Jeep Cherokee was an American Motors creation... That kind of says it all! LOL
Some history:
The (SJ) Cherokee was introduced in late 1973 as a 1974 model... essentially a 2-door Wagoneer meant to appeal to the younger buyer. [I owned a 1975.5
Cherokee Chief (had the J10 truck axles, wider wheel opening, etc.]
In 1984, the smaller, unibody (XJ) Cherokee replaced the SJ. That model was made to 2001.
Before AMC (1970-1986), Jeep was owned by Kaiser (1953-1969) and before that, Willys-Overland, which made the first Civilian Jeeps (CJ) when the war
was about to end.
So hard to want to love a brand that you know is a poorly made product! Yes, there are exceptions... and congratulations to the Nomads who have one of
the good Jeeps!
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bajatrailrider
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Your funny mt666 you show all here. You have zero knowledge about cars jeeps motos. of course not much else either have .any idea how many recalls .
Are on that mall shopping cart Ford you drive.  . The Jeep the op wants will be running long after your mall getter is in the
junk yard
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Not sure how many dissing on the Cherokees have actually owned them... I have owned many jeeps (6) and have driven about a million miles in them.
Million miles literally, current jeep is at 396,000 miles. I have averaged a little over 200,000 miles on my last 3 jeeps.
Currently driving a 2001 XJ that has been very reliable for me. Nothing "falling off", only routine maintenance, oil changes, brakes, ujoints, tires.
I have replaced 1 alternator, still original starter.
I did have a head gasket failure at 200,000 miles though, but it was a straight forward fix for a shade tree mechanic such as me.
I would buy another 2001 based on my experience with this one.
And a fair amount of those miles are on dirt roads in Utah, Nevada, Arizona and in Baja.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Fatboy | Not sure how many dissing on the Cherokees have actually owned them... I have owned many jeeps (6) and have driven about a million miles in them.
Million miles literally, current jeep is at 396,000 miles. I have averaged a little over 200,000 miles on my last 3 jeeps.
Currently driving a 2001 XJ that has been very reliable for me. Nothing "falling off", only routine maintenance, oil changes, brakes, ujoints, tires.
I have replaced 1 alternator, still original starter.
I did have a head gasket failure at 200,000 miles though, but it was a straight forward fix for a shade tree mechanic such as me.
I would buy another 2001 based on my experience with this one.
And a fair amount of those miles are on dirt roads in Utah, Nevada, Arizona and in Baja. |
No worries guys. I have long since ignored the mtgoat.
No, I am not into continuously fixing broken vehicles in the field and why I solicit feedback.
Thanks to those Nomads with real world Jeep experience. There are dozens of YouTube videos of Jeep mods, especially the I6 engine.
But to satisfy those Toyota freaks, I may just compare a similar 4-Runner mod.
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https://expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/3rd-gen-4runner-v...
there's only two things in life but I forget what they are........
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mtgoat666
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Get a 1970s 40 series LC or 3 series LR. Best offroad tinkerer vehicles out there. Best of all They are carbureted engines, no computers or fuel
injection, easy to work on. And way More stylish than jeeps.
Woke!
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haha no nuts has spoken clueless. Could not even remove the air cleaner. The more you post the more you show you know nothing. 
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Good review! Thanks for the link. Looks like the 4Runner has quite a few strong points. When looking for vehicles, what website is the best to use?
I assume the 3rd gen T4R (years covered?) is the way to go.
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David K
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Yes, I agree, that is a good comparison of the Cherokee to the 4Runner.
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Cherokee Xj has solid front axle with coils and leaf springs in the rear. 4Runner has IFS and a pretty soft rear.
BTW, the XJ for of road requires the add-on frame.
So What? For off road or driving or highways for comfort.
The major issue is the XJs are getting pretty old and a 4Runners are still available as new
[Edited on 11-1-2020 by PaulW]
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If you get a 4Runner don't get the 3L engine or you'll be replacing the head gasket on a regular basis. The 3.4 L gas is a good engine. The 4L has a
lot more power. I had a 3L in my 93 truck and had the head gasket replaced 3 times. The transfer case was basically a combination of a manual and
automatic system, not good. To me the drawback of the Toyota electronic transfer case is no neutral so you can't flat tow it. My 04 Tacoma has a
neutral but my 06 4Runner does not. Not a big deal since they are so reliable.
I should say you can flat tow em if you drop the drive shaft.
[Edited on 11-1-2020 by TMW]
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bajatrailrider
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Tmw you where close on Toyota junk 3.0 engine . The problem yes Toyota not smart enough to make a head gasket. They where factory recall problem.
When the customer brought it back. We where only allowed to put another toyota head gasket. Witch was junk so we had the customer but the fel pro
head gasket. Not one come back my own off road ,. Toyota has junk engine , 3.0 . large fi hot cams headers fel pro . 13 years of abuse . No
blown h gasket.
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Yes, At the end of the 3.0 recall campaign they came up with the thicker head gasket that improved the issue. The result of the thicker head gasket
was a significant decrease in engine power. I was greatly relieved to dump that rig. And that rig had plenty of issues with the transfer and had to
go to the dealer several times. They changed that design in later years to finally solve the bad design. My biggest gripe was I had to go to corporate
to get the necessary fixes because the dealer did not have the detail or training on the proper repair.
That was my last Toyota.
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bajatrailrider
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I think the general problem we have there are . Many non gear heads on this forum. Yes you know who you are and so do the ones that really know. To
make statement all chevys bad or Toyota's ect . All truck car brands have problem child's all have made junk. So call all what every brand no good
is telling all . You have no knowledge you bet we know number 1
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The thick gasket lowers the compression ratio and the peak cylinder pressures to hopefully prevent the leak. The lower the compression ratio the lower
the horsepower and torque. There are aftermarket gaskets that do not lower the CR, but the problem still persists after more miles.
It was amazing what the difference was after that gasket change.
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