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Quote: Originally posted by BajaNomad  | | Quote: Originally posted by Ateo | | I talked with someone at the Arco terminal today and they are sending tanker trucks from Carson across the border into Baja, Mexico but I think that
is specifically for the TJ market. And this is just specifically for Arco branded sites. 6 tanker trucks a day. |
Curious.... does this mean they are sending trucks from SoCal empty to fill up at Rosarito terminal, KMI in San Diego, or ??
Sending trucks with Arco gasoline from Carson to Tijuana doesn't seem to make sense. The Arco gasoline in San Diego should be coming from the KMI
terminal - the truck transportation from LA area would be cost prohibitive, especially for a discount provider. Is this a MX formulation and they're
happy to absorb the extra transportation costs? Why wouldn't they send the special blend to San Diego (or border) by rail car (costs less than truck
transport, 30k gallons at a time versus 8500-8800 gallons at a time)?
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Great questions! I was shocked to hear the “6 tankers” leaving each day to Mex. I thought the same things. I’ll ask. My first guess of why
they’re sending it from Carson is because that’s where everything is coming into SoCal and being refined and sent to the bulk terminal in
Wilmington (I’m only talking about the Marathon distribution who covers many brands) for shipment into the SoCal market (LA/OC - not SD, etc). That
would be the point where they would add the ethanol? So that would be the place where they could send the gas out prior to them adding the California
winter/summer blend and ethanol. My guess is everything that is sent through the rail and pipeline to San Diego already has ethanol in it but I could
be wrong. I’ll ask.
[Edited on 3-30-2021 by Ateo]
[Edited on 3-30-2021 by Ateo]
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | Arco (Tesoro) has a bulk fuel terminal in San Diego on Harbor Dr next to NASSCO. Does not make sense for arco to truck from Carson to TJ.
And here some info on the deals... fuel in baja comes from many places!
Tesoro inks transportation and storage deal with Mexico's Pemex
https://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/news/2017/07/18/tesor...
Supply deal allows Tesoro to sell its ARCO brand of gasoline in Mexico
https://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/news/2017/07/28/suppl...
Spotlight: Fuel storage projects in Mexico
https://www.bnamericas.com/en/features/spotlight-fuel-storag...
– Refined products terminal; Rosarito, Baja California
Capex: US$100mn, early works stage
Owner/operator: Andeavor; partner CFEnergía
The project entails building a refined products terminal aimed at reducing costs of fuel imports for the Arco service stations network in northwestern
Mexico. The network is owned by US energy logistics company Andeavor, a subsidiary of Marathon Petroleum.
The US company will build and operate the facility on leased land within state-owned electricity utility CFE's storage facility.
– Baja Refinados terminal; La Jovita energy center, Baja California
Capex: US$130mn, construction decision pending
Owner/operator: IEnova
(Sempra, Ensenada)
The project consists of the development, construction and operation of a marine terminal for the receipt, storage and delivery of hydrocarbons, mainly
gasoline and diesel. The terminal will expand the supply options and improve logistics in the supply of refined products in Baja California.
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And some fuel arriving in baja from Anacortes,...
Andeavor makes first fuel shipment to Mexico
https://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/news/2017/10/18/andea...
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And here is interesting story on fuel smuggling....
Investigation: Surge in Suspect Imports Undermines Mexico Fuel Markets
http://info.opisnet.com/mexico-fuel-news
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December 4, 2019
Private Companies Gain Terrain
According to SENER, private companies imported 101,800 b/d of gasoline during October, a new high record. This is 18,000 b/d more than the level of
the previous month and three times the levels reported for a year ago.
Private gasoline imports grew thanks to ExxonMobil and Glencore, the two largest importers after Pemex, according to data by PIERS Enterprise by IHS
Markit.
According to PIERS, ExxonMobil imported 27,000 b/d of gasoline during October, 7,000 b/d more than the previous month.
Glencore imported 18,000 b/d of gasoline during October, which is 6,400 b/d more than in September, PIERS data shows.
Glencore surpassed Marathon Petroleum to become Mexico's second-largest gasoline private importer, according to PIERS. The U.S. refiner imported
15,700 b/d of gasoline in October into Mexico.
Glencore introduced all imports via its marine terminal at the Port of Dos Bocas, Tabasco, in southern Mexico, PIERS data shows.
Meanwhile, ExxonMobil has worked in partnership with KCSM to ship fuel using unit trains across the Western, Central and northern Mexico.
Marathon offloaded over 12,000 b/d of gasoline at Mexico's northwestern ports of Ensenada, Mazatlan, Topolobampo, Guaymas and La Paz, where it
acquired storage capacity from Pemex at its logistic open seasons.
Compared with a year ago, ExxonMobil grew its gasoline imports into Mexico by 108%. Meanwhile, Glencore in October 2018 reported no gasoline imports
despite inaugurating its Dos Bocas marine terminal in August of that year.
Mexico's Windstar Energy and Novum Energy have increased their gasoline imports into Mexico significantly year over year.
In October 2019, Windstar imported 11,200 b/d of gasoline and Novum imported 5,900 b/d. Compared with a year ago, they grew imports by 133% and 390%,
respectively.
As new terminals have come online, private imports have increased. "Over the last year, companies are also becoming more efficient and streamlining
their operations as time pass," Williamson said.
[Edited on 3-30-2021 by mtgoat666] |
Yep, I think the fuel coming into Baja is coming from very very many distributors from Southern California. All that stuff seems so intertwined and
diversified. Chevron is sending stuff. ARCO. But all these companies have other jobbers that are actually transporting the stuff and it gets pretty
complicated I’m guessing. When I talked with the guy from Tesoro/Andeavor/Marathon yesterday he mentioned the new Ensenada terminal and that it
was stuck in planning and governmental BS and bribery phase.
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| Quote: Originally posted by bajaric | It does seem odd that Arco would send tankers from Carson to Baja, when they could deliver from the Harbor Drive terminal. One possible reason is
that the gas at Harbor drive is "California blend" and they can ship from the refinery at Carson without having to blend ethanol with it. Maybe
Mexico vehicles are not designed to run on ethanol. Its only a 2 hour drive from Carson to the border in the middle of the night. That would be just
a few hundred dollars more per load for the additional labor to run the truck for 4 extra hours, and minus the tariff charged by Kinder Morgan to use
their pipeline.
Fun fact; the Harbor Dr. terminal is supplied by a pipeline from Mission Valley, that comes down from LA. It is all the same gas, when it gets to the
Harbor Dr. terminal the various companies that have tanks there (Arco, Chevron, etc.) add special additives to make it "Techroline" or whatever their
branded super duper special gas is. |
Good analysis. The six tankers I’m referring to are dropping their loads in TJ from what it sounded like. I don’t think they’d be driving down
to El Rosario. Ha ha.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Ateo | | Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | Arco (Tesoro) has a bulk fuel terminal in San Diego on Harbor Dr next to NASSCO. Does not make sense for arco to truck from Carson to TJ.
And here some info on the deals... fuel in baja comes from many places!
Tesoro inks transportation and storage deal with Mexico's Pemex
https://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/news/2017/07/18/tesor...
Supply deal allows Tesoro to sell its ARCO brand of gasoline in Mexico
https://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/news/2017/07/28/suppl...
Spotlight: Fuel storage projects in Mexico
https://www.bnamericas.com/en/features/spotlight-fuel-storag...
– Refined products terminal; Rosarito, Baja California
Capex: US$100mn, early works stage
Owner/operator: Andeavor; partner CFEnergía
The project entails building a refined products terminal aimed at reducing costs of fuel imports for the Arco service stations network in northwestern
Mexico. The network is owned by US energy logistics company Andeavor, a subsidiary of Marathon Petroleum.
The US company will build and operate the facility on leased land within state-owned electricity utility CFE's storage facility.
– Baja Refinados terminal; La Jovita energy center, Baja California
Capex: US$130mn, construction decision pending
Owner/operator: IEnova
(Sempra, Ensenada)
The project consists of the development, construction and operation of a marine terminal for the receipt, storage and delivery of hydrocarbons, mainly
gasoline and diesel. The terminal will expand the supply options and improve logistics in the supply of refined products in Baja California.
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And some fuel arriving in baja from Anacortes,...
Andeavor makes first fuel shipment to Mexico
https://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/news/2017/10/18/andea...
****
And here is interesting story on fuel smuggling....
Investigation: Surge in Suspect Imports Undermines Mexico Fuel Markets
http://info.opisnet.com/mexico-fuel-news
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December 4, 2019
Private Companies Gain Terrain
According to SENER, private companies imported 101,800 b/d of gasoline during October, a new high record. This is 18,000 b/d more than the level of
the previous month and three times the levels reported for a year ago.
Private gasoline imports grew thanks to ExxonMobil and Glencore, the two largest importers after Pemex, according to data by PIERS Enterprise by IHS
Markit.
According to PIERS, ExxonMobil imported 27,000 b/d of gasoline during October, 7,000 b/d more than the previous month.
Glencore imported 18,000 b/d of gasoline during October, which is 6,400 b/d more than in September, PIERS data shows.
Glencore surpassed Marathon Petroleum to become Mexico's second-largest gasoline private importer, according to PIERS. The U.S. refiner imported
15,700 b/d of gasoline in October into Mexico.
Glencore introduced all imports via its marine terminal at the Port of Dos Bocas, Tabasco, in southern Mexico, PIERS data shows.
Meanwhile, ExxonMobil has worked in partnership with KCSM to ship fuel using unit trains across the Western, Central and northern Mexico.
Marathon offloaded over 12,000 b/d of gasoline at Mexico's northwestern ports of Ensenada, Mazatlan, Topolobampo, Guaymas and La Paz, where it
acquired storage capacity from Pemex at its logistic open seasons.
Compared with a year ago, ExxonMobil grew its gasoline imports into Mexico by 108%. Meanwhile, Glencore in October 2018 reported no gasoline imports
despite inaugurating its Dos Bocas marine terminal in August of that year.
Mexico's Windstar Energy and Novum Energy have increased their gasoline imports into Mexico significantly year over year.
In October 2019, Windstar imported 11,200 b/d of gasoline and Novum imported 5,900 b/d. Compared with a year ago, they grew imports by 133% and 390%,
respectively.
As new terminals have come online, private imports have increased. "Over the last year, companies are also becoming more efficient and streamlining
their operations as time pass," Williamson said.
[Edited on 3-30-2021 by mtgoat666] |
Yep, I think the fuel coming into Baja is coming from very very many distributors from Southern California. All that stuff seems so intertwined and
diversified. Chevron is sending stuff. ARCO. But all these companies have other jobbers that are actually transporting the stuff and it gets pretty
complicated I’m guessing. When I talked with the guy from Tesoro/Andeavor/Marathon yesterday he mentioned the new Ensenada terminal and that it
was stuck in planning and governmental BS and bribery phase. |
liquid petroleum products distribution changes all the time, trucks are used when PLs are offline or unavailable; terminals undergo maintenance, and
other terminals get used instead; distribution/transport deals come and go;
i am amused when nomads obsess over knowing where fuels is refined/produced, as if it will be uber important if deciding if their high tech diesel
engine survives a trip to baja, or their tacoma gets 17.72 vs 18.265 MPG 
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getting rare to see a Pemex station anymore, they may be making a come back........
https://us.yahoo.com/news/mexico-president-seeks-clamp-down-...
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From LA, through OC, through Miramar MCAS, and then to Mission Valley. This is a Kinder Morgan (KMI) pipeline.
| Quote: Originally posted by bajaric | | It is all the same gas, when it gets to the Harbor Dr. terminal the various companies that have tanks there (Arco, Chevron, etc.) add special
additives to make it "Techroline" or whatever their branded super duper special gas is. |
Same thing in many markets fwiw.
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“Now we depend on imports, which is something that is going to change by the end of this administration,” said López Obrador. “We are not going
to sell (export) crude anymore, because we are going to process it all in our country, and we are going to produce all the gasoline we consume.”
sounds like a plan!
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| Quote: Originally posted by del mar | “Now we depend on imports, which is something that is going to change by the end of this administration,” said López Obrador. “We are not going
to sell (export) crude anymore, because we are going to process it all in our country, and we are going to produce all the gasoline we consume.”
sounds like a plan! |
And what could go wrong with more domestic pipelines?
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/burned-fire-i...
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