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Hook
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Cartel related tweakers helping to run drugs are "MOST MEXICANS"?
Not where I live in Mexico.
In fact, I sense a relatively new outrage among young to middle age Mexican who are fed up with business as usual with law enforcement's complicity
with the cartels. Many of them supported AMLO, but now see him as an incompetent fool for allowing all this.
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Quote: Originally posted by Hook  | Cartel related tweakers helping to run drugs are "MOST MEXICANS"?
Not where I live in Mexico.
In fact, I sense a relatively new outrage among young to middle age Mexican who are fed up with business as usual with law enforcement's complicity
with the cartels. Many of them supported AMLO, but now see him as an incompetent fool for allowing all this. |
I agree- young educated Mexicans have told me that the corruption is an embarrassment on the international stage and that their generation will work
to change that.
As far my comment about not flaunting one's relative wealth and my response to your comment, no, I didn't take it as directed at me, I was just
explaining that no one claimed that all crime happens because someone's lifestyle made them a target.
And the person who said they were home invaded did, in fact, state that their home was right on the beach (not usually low value real estate,
populated with shacks) and their truck was a 2019.
Again, in no way blaming the victim, just pointing out that thieves usually target those who they perceive as having something worth stealing.
[Edited on 10-18-2022 by surabi]
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John Harper
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | If you have a house like Thurston Howell III, you better build a fence and hire a security guard!
To most Mexicans, the average expat gringo sure looks like Thurston Howell III |
I would imagine most of them wonder why their country hasn't developed like their northern neighbor, and why so many have to flee to the north and
leave their homeland.
As we wonder if our country will fail as a democracy in the next few years.
John
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JZ
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | If you have a house like Thurston Howell III, you better build a fence and hire a security guard!
To most Mexicans, the average expat gringo sure looks like Thurston Howell III
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Almost every trip I've taken to MX in the last 15-20 years has been with two to three MX friends/guards to look after us. Every place we go we
immediately reach out and make friends with the locals who also look after us.
I'll never forget the day circa 2005 in Sonora hanging out with a pretty young guy who raced the trophy truck division in the Baja 1000 and who had a
private plane.
He told me then that the way things were heading that the well off were going to need private security in MX and the US.
[Edited on 10-18-2022 by JZ]
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | If you have a house like Thurston Howell III, you better build a fence and hire a security guard!
To most Mexicans, the average expat gringo sure looks like Thurston Howell III
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Almost every trip I've taken to MX in the last 15-20 years has been with two to three MX friends/guards to look after us. |
You travel with guards?
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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” Never bring a can of bear spray to a gunfight.” In some cases maybe, but not against a gun. Or
armed with a baseball bat against an AK 47 as with the unfortunate person fatally shot looking to see what was happening with his boat being stolen a
while back.
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surabi
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 |
Almost every trip I've taken to MX in the last 15-20 years has been with two to three MX friends/guards to look after us. [/rquote]
You travel with guards? |
Such a brave, tough guy, huh? I've lived pretty much full time in Mexico for 20 years, driven alone as a single woman the length of Baja twice, and up
and down the mainland many times, and never had, nor felt the need for "Mexican friends/guards" to keep me safe.
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JZ
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| Quote: Originally posted by surabi |
I've lived pretty much full time in Mexico, driven alone as a single woman the length of Baja twice, and up and down the mainland many times, and
never had, nor felt the need for "Mexican friends/guards" to keep me safe.
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You drive a 20 yo Ford Escort, don't put makeup on before you leave the house, and would never own a house on the beach.
That is your choice.
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surabi
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by surabi |
I've lived pretty much full time in Mexico, driven alone as a single woman the length of Baja twice, and up and down the mainland many times, and
never had, nor felt the need for "Mexican friends/guards" to keep me safe.
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You drive a 20 yo Ford Escort, don't put makeup on before you leave the house, and would never own a house on the beach.
That is your choice.
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Still can't read, huh? I said an Escape, not an Escort, and contrary to your superior put down, it isn't a junker at all. It's been really
well-maintained and does what a vehicle is meant to do, get you to where you want to go, not impress people as you seem to need to do.
And who said I don't put on make-up before I leave the house? I guess a guy who wanted his wife to get a boob job would think make-up was important or
relevant.
I guess your make-up is the reason you are such a target that you need to travel with guards? Maybe try toning down the lipstick next time you travel
so you don't attract the attention of bad guys.
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John Harper
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| Quote: Originally posted by LancairDriver | | ” Never bring a can of bear spray to a gunfight.” In some cases maybe, but not against a gun. Or
armed with a baseball bat against an AK 47 as with the unfortunate person fatally shot looking to see what was happening with his boat being stolen a
while back. |
I was suggesting bear spray as a non lethal defensive measure. Spray it and hopefully give yourself time to flee.
I wasn't suggesting using it as a prelude to an assault on the invaders. I doubt there are any John Rambo's among us at BN.
John
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | If you have a house like Thurston Howell III, you better build a fence and hire a security guard!
To most Mexicans, the average expat gringo sure looks like Thurston Howell III
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Almost every trip I've taken to MX in the last 15-20 years has been with two to three MX friends/guards to look after us. |
If i was that much of a puzzy i would be ashamed to admit it.
You travel with guards? |
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| Quote: Originally posted by surabi |
Still can't read, huh? I said an Escape, not an Escort, and contrary to your superior put down, it isn't a junker at all. It's been really
well-maintained and does what a vehicle is meant to do, get you to where you want to go, not impress people as you seem to need to do.
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I would imagine it's also paid for, rather than bank owned or leased. And, you don't need to live in fear of not having your own security force to
enter Mexico.
Brave enough to resist wearing a mask, but not enough to travel alone to Mexico. I guess that's par for the course with some knuckleheads.
John
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Hook
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| Quote: Originally posted by John Harper | | Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | If you have a house like Thurston Howell III, you better build a fence and hire a security guard!
To most Mexicans, the average expat gringo sure looks like Thurston Howell III |
I would imagine most of them wonder why their country hasn't developed like their northern neighbor, and why so many have to flee to the north and
leave their homeland.
As we wonder if our country will fail as a democracy in the next few years.
John |
The most opulent homes in the town I live in are not owned by foreigners. They are owned by Mexicans. By far. Our town is becoming a haven for rich
Mexicans from all over Mexico. The same is true in all large cities in Mexico. Rich Mexicans have been flaunting their wealth for CENTURIES. The
difference is they have the wealth to subvert gun laws and/or hire armed protection. "Opulent" Americans that I know, generally don't have that kind
of wealth.
The U.S. may have their 1% of relatively wealthy persons. In Mexico, a far smaller percentage own a far greater percentage of the wealth. IMO, THAT IS
THE REASON SO MANY CHOOSE TO LEAVE MEXICO. There just isn't enough cash that moves (outside of maybe the cartels) that can provide a large number of
Mexican with a living wage.
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pacificobob
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Being that weak, and fearful is quite a burden. I'm embarrassed for you.
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John Harper
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| Quote: Originally posted by Hook | | Quote: Originally posted by John Harper | | Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | If you have a house like Thurston Howell III, you better build a fence and hire a security guard!
To most Mexicans, the average expat gringo sure looks like Thurston Howell III |
I would imagine most of them wonder why their country hasn't developed like their northern neighbor, and why so many have to flee to the north and
leave their homeland.
As we wonder if our country will fail as a democracy in the next few years.
John |
The most opulent homes in the town I live in are not owned by foreigners. They are owned by Mexicans. By far. Our town is becoming a haven for rich
Mexicans from all over Mexico. The same is true in all large cities in Mexico. Rich Mexicans have been flaunting their wealth for CENTURIES. The
difference is they have the wealth to subvert gun laws and/or hire armed protection. "Opulent" Americans that I know, generally don't have that kind
of wealth.
The U.S. may have their 1% of relatively wealthy persons. In Mexico, a far smaller percentage own a far greater percentage of the wealth. IMO, THAT IS
THE REASON SO MANY CHOOSE TO LEAVE MEXICO. There just isn't enough cash that moves (outside of maybe the cartels) that can provide a large number of
Mexican with a living wage. |
Yes, that's what my statement is about, extreme wealth inequality. No opportunity for the larger population to build wealth.
No gringo is likely to be able to arm themselves like a rich Mexican or repel intruders with a security force. Have a plan to distract, and flee.
John
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twenty years traveling mexico with guards! now THATS some hilarious chit, boy I bet he wished he could have taken a mulligan on that one! 
there's only two things in life but I forget what they are........
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John Harper
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| Quote: Originally posted by Don Pisto | | twenty years traveling mexico with guards! now THATS some hilarious chit, boy I bet he wished he could have taken a mulligan on that one! |
I'm always startled by the complete lack of self awareness in some of his statements. Always good for a laugh.
John
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surabi
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| Quote: Originally posted by lencho | | Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Almost every trip I've taken to MX in the last 15-20 years has been with two to three MX friends/guards to look after us. Every place we go we
immediately reach out and make friends with the locals |
How much of that "reaching out" is you, JZ, personally conversing directly with the locals in Spanish? (Vs your Mexican friends as a filter.)
Myself, I can't imagine (wanting to) travel that way-- seems like an insulator-- but apparently we have different reasons for exploring other lands.
Me, I'm happy as a pig in slop hanging out all day in the local market chatting with the vendors. 
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If he actually spoke Spanish, he would know how his instant local "friends" talk about gringoes like him between themselves.
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"I'll never forget the day circa 2005 in Sonora hanging out with a pretty young guy who raced the trophy truck division in the Baja 1000 and who had a
private plane."
My guess is "pretty young guys" are attracted to "pretty short guys" that travel with an entourage?
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John Harper
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Maybe he needs some "walk up music?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye7PIyIcCro
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