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woody with a view
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Mula
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This guy Munoz if getting more and more 'over the top' as his rage grows.
The photos on his web site munoz industries are really old.
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Lobsterman
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I still have my money on Mr. Munoz to win in the end.
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tripledigitken
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| Quote: | Originally posted by latina
So...Mark & Olivia, the State Attorney, the army, the police, the governor and high levels of organized crime are all in a plot together against
Rafael Muñoz Martinez!..... |
and...if this was the case Mr Munoz would be no more!
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Skipjack Joe
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Lobster is right -
The strong shall devour the weak.
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comitan
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Money is the easiest way to open doors but not the only way.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Diver
Sure dude,
They will be out last week.
They will be out next week.
Olivia will be in jail.
Olivia will be gone.
Yada, yada, yada ..... so far nothing you have said has come true so I'm curious why you think anyone should believe anything you have to say now ?
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But Raphael has the legal land title to the hotel. If there is one thing Raphael has on his side, is the legal land title for the national land under
the hotel from the SRA. That is his legal specialty. Only Federal Courts can deal with that issue, no one local has the authority.
(With the Zetas breaking out of prison yesterday with the help of the prison wardens, using the death of 44 inmates as a cover- I believe most
anything is possible in Mexico is possible. It's a crazy place.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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ramuma53
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Estate Government" ..
How about a little education on this "legal entity" and what level of primacy it would have, in relationship to laws and regulations of the: National,
State, and Municipalities.
It would appear a very interesting legal entity and one that might need a little explaining to many on Baja Nomads, including myself.
I do not know if this type of legal entity has ever been present in the United States.
Thanks in advance for your response
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Well, you have states the same as Mexico and they like to feel they are independent legal entities, but all are united in a Federal pact and obligated
to follow common laws and rules.
In Mexico, the federal pact obligates the States to obey the Federal laws and no State law can prevail against a Federal law.
In Mexico, we have the Federal law protection named Amparo or habeas Corpus for USA law.
The Amparo in Mexico is a Federal law act that protect the citizen’s Constitutional rights against any illegal act, committed by any authority,
including federal or state or city and no authority of any level can disobey a Federal Judge protection order named Suspension “provisional or
definitiva” and that mean order to suspend the claimed illegal acts by authority, first provisionally and then definitively.
In other words, the Federal law protection, protect any citizen against any authority act committed in violation of any of the constitutional rights.
In the case of Punta Banda, it was an amparo won by the landowners that obligated the SRA State minister to return the land to them, he did it with 30
minutes margin or he would have to immediately leave the job and be prosecuted by federal law.
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ramuma53
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Many of you seem to care about Mexico being a lawful place.
We certainly have problems and crooks on the government, but I do not think it is just in Mexico, but the important part is that people do something
about it, things do not change by itself, is people who change them.
Many of you Nomads, write me via US2 and ask questions that for some reason you do not want to be associated with. I try to answer them.
Concerning my Buenaventura employees, I can tell you that today a Federal judge found grounds concerning a constitutional rights violation committed
by the State authorities and granted Federal Law Protection to them.
At this time, they are in the Federal Judge custody and no longer on the State authority’s custody.
The court appointment has been has been granted for this next Friday and the Federal judge gave 72 hours to the State authorities to show cause.
That means that they will be free from tomorrow or maximum on Friday afternoon.
I have been told that State authorities are very afraid and are trying to fabricate charges, but any illegal attempt will just complicate their own
already bad situation and Federal Police is looking very close.
As soon as they are free, they will return to Buenaventura, the fire weapons will be returned to them and charges will be filled against state
authorities and Olivia for any damage or robbery committed against my property.
Also, they will have orders not to allow Olvia or Nark to use my property for absolutely no purpose and will stop her with legal force on any attempt.
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latina
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With regards to all states being united in a Federal Pact, in the case of defamation, slander and libel, Baja California Sur still considers them a
crime with a sentence of 2- 6 years. Saying that the District Attorney for B.C.S. is in cahoots with organized crime doesn't sound like a very
well-thought out public statement for a "lawyer" to be making.
With regards to state laws regarding the use and licensing of firearms... Who holds the license for the rifle ( supposed to only be used for hunting
birds and animals, not people) and the pistol that were used to intimidate and bully Mark & Olivia and which is the starting point for this
thread. You were not there, with your licensed firearm inside "your" residence protecting it from intruders.
For a lawyer you display little regard for the laws of your country...
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ramuma53
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Latina
It is difficult to consider defamation, slader or libel what I say, because I have the Navy intelligence and PGR intelligence personell who withnessed
the drugs unloadings and who ran to Mulege to get help to catch the drug runners.
It is not defamation to say that Olivia was found with sea turtle on her hands by the Fisheries department, together with the navy marines and PGR
officials and latter convicted for that crime while she is just waiting for her jail sentence.
It is public knowledge that she is being tied to the Pacific cartel, it is all over national news.
It is difficult to explain how a North Zone District attornye himself, participated in an armed raid without any court order, just on Olivia's claim
that she was caught in my property.
It is difficult to explain why the State District attorney lied to the National Press concerning why they tried to confiscate my property without any
court order when he told first that he actod only on Olivia claim that she had been insulted by my security people who caught her in my property
without permission during the night.
It is hard to explain why the State District attorney would jeopardize his high post for a junky like Olivia, clearly he received orders to do that
from a dark person with a lot of power, not exactly a good power.
It is now harder to explain why the Federal judge found grounds to grant the Federal Protection to my employees against a constitutional violation.
The fire arms licence is to protect my people form all that armed people Olivia use when unloading drugs and the Army is knows it too well sice they
have participated in a lot or raids on Olivia's restaurants and have caught her a few times taking her to La Paz.
Also, rifles are used as you know to catch rats and that is what happened to Olivia and Nark that day and she was very fortunate that my people know
how to use propertional force or she would be today a dead rat.
[Edited on 2-21-2012 by ramuma53]
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mulegemichael
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whoooooo boy!....smell like soup to you?...luv dat garlic!
dyslexia is never having to say you\'re yrros.
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latina
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As usual, a lot of pontificating but you didn't answer the questions....oh yeah, I forgot, you're a lawyer...
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Roberto
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Just out of curiosity - where is that?
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
| Quote: | Originally posted by Lobsterman
I still have my money on Mr. Munoz to win in the end. |
Win? He may dominate in this dispute, but he has already lost where it matters.  |
Very good, lencho!
The man's a loser. If there was any doubt then read the last sentence of his last post. The stuff about rats.
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captkw
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LAND
Just my 2 cantovo's..land,house's,car's,boat's......dont mean sh-t in the big picture....I aint never seen a hearst with a luggauge rack..just saying
what IS......K&T..
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ramuma53
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Latina
With regards to all states being united in a Federal Pact, in the case of defamation, slander and libel, Baja California Sur still considers them a
crime with a sentence of 2- 6 years. Saying that the District Attorney for B.C.S. is in cahoots with organized crime doesn't sound like a very
well-thought out public statement for a "lawyer" to be making.
THE PROVIDED ANSWER WORK FOR THIS QUESTION.
With regards to state laws regarding the use and licensing of firearms... Who holds the license for the rifle ( supposed to only be used for hunting
birds and animals, not people)
I HOLD THE LICENCES TO PROTECT MY PROPERTY AND YOU ARE WRONG, THERE ARE DIFFERENT KIND OF LICENCES IN MEXICO, THE KIND I HOLD ARE ISSUED TO DEFFEND
PROPERTY WHEN JUST CAUSE ARE DEMOSTRATED AND THE ARMY KNOW FIRST HAND AND VERY WELL THAT WE NEED THEM AT BUENAVENTURA BECAUSE THEY KNOW THE KIND OF
RATS WE HAVE THERE AT FEDERAL ZONE.
and the pistol that were used to intimidate and bully Mark & Olivia
THE GUNS WERE NOT USED TO INTIMIDATE THEM, THEY WERE USED TO DEFFEND THEMSELVES AGAINST HER CHEMICAL ATTACK, AN UNPROVOQUED ATTACK DURING THE NIGHT ON
THE HOTEL GROUNDS WHERE OLIVIA AND NARK VERY WELL KNOW THEY ARE NOT WELCOMED.
and which is the starting point for this thread.
THIS THREAD IS DESIGNED TO HEAR BOTH SIDES OF THE STORY, AND THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE HEARING, BUT AS YOU THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO ONLY WANT TO HEAR ONE
SIDE AND THAT IS NOT FAIR OR ALLOWED.
You were not there, with your licensed firearm inside "your" residence protecting it from intruders.
NO I WAS NOT THERE, BUT THAT IS WHY I HAVE MY SECURITY PEOPLE THERE TO PROTECT IT FROM INTRUDERS NAMED OLIVIA AND NARK MOSTLY.
For a lawyer you display little regard for the laws of your country...
IF I HAD DISREGARD FOR MY COUNTRY'S LAWS, I WOULD NOT HAVE ANY PERMITTS FOR MY GUNS, AND YOU CAN VERY WELL SAY THAT OLIVIA AND NARK ARE THE ONES WHO
HAVE DISREGARD FOR OUR LAWS, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONES ENTERING MY PROPERTY DURING THE NIGHT WITHOUT BEING ALLOWED AND HOLDING ILLEGAL CHEMICAL
WEAPONS ON THEIR HANDS. WHAT WOULD YOU DO AT YOUR HOUSE??????
MY PEOPLE IS GOING TO RETURN AND THEY ARE NOT SWEET PEOPLE, THEY ARE HARDENED PEOPLE USED TO DIFFICULT SITUATIONS AND WHO KNOW HOW TO DEFFEND
THEIRSELVES, MY SECURITY CHIEF IS AN ATTORNEY AT LAW AND ACOUNTANT, SO HE VERY WELL KNOW WHEN TO STOP OR NOT AND FOR SURE HE WILL UPHOLD THE LAW AND
PROTECT MY PROPERTY, THAT IS HIS JOB EVEN IF HE HAVE TO CATCH A FEW RATS.
[Edited on 2-21-2012 by ramuma53]
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
Just out of curiosity - where is that? |
How to put it... maybe something like "human integrity". My impression from what's gone on here (my only input, to be sure) is he mighta got shorted
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Those attributes simply doesn't exist in Mexico business dealings. Not fair to compare what you would do stateside (or just elsewhere) with what you
should do in Mexico to get the same result. Different games. There's no shame in Mexico and no one will look down on you for trying to game the
system for profit. As a "gringo" the odds are against you- not even the documents are in your language. The only way to win is not to play.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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ramuma53
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Wooosh
Sorry to disagree with you
Problems exist everywhere, I used to have a business in Chula Vista California and had to close it because of monthly armed robberies and I didn't
want to have any of my employees killed; I put the robbers in jail and, I just changed the business to Mexico.
In the USA the same kind of problems exist, human always will be human, it doesn’t matter where.
The difference is made by people, who correct those problems one by one and in a while the whole system change.
I believe that today Mexico is in an era like the one you had in the 20s, where the gangsters just claimed all the way to the top and were controlling
everything including the authorities.
At that time everybody thought that things would never change, the bad guys were just too powerful, but one by one, people accepted that it was
impossible to keep going that way; that is happening in Mexico today, I think that the gangsters just reached the top of their power and start to
slide down.
They will not slide down by themselves, you and me have to slide them down; your problem seem to be unsolvable and that will keep going forever;
corruption is that way, but if you keep the pressure, the system break down and good things start to happen, just do not despair.
After all, we are dealing with the same problem in different places, authorities’ corruption, but after all, we are in a system that is not that bad,
you and me are alive and we are an example that the system is not that bad and that it will change when you push hard enough, just try not to go to
the dark side to do it.
Some times it feels like you have to go to prevail, but you and me know that if we do it, it would not be a victory.
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Skipjack Joe
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ramuma,
I was just thinking that perhaps your 5 thugs could be released quickly if it was shown that they were not responsible for their actions. That is, if
it was shown that they acted under instructions. Under the orders of - oh, I don't know, you come up with a name that makes sense.
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