If he cared so much about this place he has owned since he was 18, why han't he been there for over three years to see fo himself what he has claimed
to be going on?
Good. When you try to curb free speech it should touch a nerve. Raphael is a BajaNomad. You may not like it, but he owns that land and has the only
legal title to it. Stop beating that dead horse- it is his. Curb your baseless accusations against him until you can back them with documents and
facts. It just makes you sound like a broken record.
Why are you trying to make this a right or wrong thing- it has been already been said by me and many others that all parties misbehaved badly in some
manner or another. There is no shame in Mexico and no Mexican will look down on Raphael or Olivia for swindling the system and each other to get
ahead. It's a sport down here.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
Originally posted by Woooosh
.... he owns that land and has the only legal title to it.
And just how do you know this to be true ?
Hopefully not just from the things he has posted; anyone can post anything.
This is my point.
Just how does anyone know anything in this mess.
And what could he possibly hope to accomplish by his continued posts on Nomads ?
He MUST have better things to do (as my wife keeps reminding me).....
Personally, I can make no judgement of the facts in this case; I can only judge the personal conduct of the participants.
Originally posted by Marla Daily
What has happened to the peace and love on this fish taco site?
That's the heartbeat of this website. Some people sure
have taken some wrong turns!
Really Marla, you think this is more than a civil discussion of Mexican land title, Ejido and land trespass/possession issues? I don't. I think it
has been fairly tame. Maybe you meant the posting of a photo on Facebook of Mark's "new house" he just took from someone who built and paid for it.
Yes Marla, that's the real baja spirit. I don't think so. Sadly the thread follows the actions of those involved. It isn't pleasant and there won't
be peace for many years on this, imho.
I am interested in the Mexican land law issues, especially when it applies to fellow Nomads. I am in a land dispute myself and have been learning
about the law. Raphael has posted and published the land title SRA file number for the parcel of land in PB. He's put his head on the chopping block
by calling out everyone in BCS government in the press. If he's not legally correct- they will surely let him know in a hurry.
Of course all the scandalous details (aside from the legal points) are Nomad fodder. Newbies popping up and former residents chiming in to trash both
sides. I do have to admit I find the plot and players telenovela worthy.
The reason this thread is heading south is there is no more factual information and people are still thinking someone involved was in the right.
So... what's with guy getting whacked in the head with a machete and tossed in the ocean to die? Did he threaten to give up the famous PB Turtle Soup
recipe? Def. telenovela worthy.
[Edited on 2-26-2012 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
Whoooosh do your best and flush the rest! Pay no attention to anyone! Some are starting to
raise their ugly heads again telling people what they should and should not do/say! I guess I need to come back!!
Doug, are you able to put back what you took off over there for me. If you can will you please put it back? Thank you!
I don't find it trashing, but instead sharing more information that I think is pertinent.
If you like the information Munoz has shared with you I have 5 years of emails that I could share with you. I find it all very interesting and
informative, but most people can't put there lives on hold for 10 years and still not have an outcome.
The point being for me is this is the same story I have been hearing since 2002. Olivia was going to jail and would be off the beach next week, and
paradise would be restored.
If that information isn’t worth adding to the conversation I don’t know what is!
Originally posted by Woooosh
.... he owns that land and has the only legal title to it.
And just how do you know this to be true ?
Hopefully not just from the things he has posted; anyone can post anything.
This is my point.
Just how does anyone know anything in this mess.
And what could he possibly hope to accomplish by his continued posts on Nomads ?
He MUST have better things to do (as my wife keeps reminding me).....
Personally, I can make no judgement of the facts in this case; I can only judge the personal conduct of the participants.
.
Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R Pay no attention to anyone!
You think? Then why participate in a community if you're not concerned about the other members?
Dude, you only quoted five words out of the paragraph, which is difficult to do without taking someone out of context, but you managed to get it
wrong. How does that happen with cut & paste?
Edit: oops, sorry you were quoting the second comment - I missed that the first time around, my bad.
That said, you keep referring to this board as a community. Is that really what it is? Imagine living in a community like this one. RUUUUUUNNNNN.
Whoooosh do not respond to anyone's demand that you justify yourself! Tell them to crawl up
into the area where the sun does not shine! Ok I am just going to say it. You are some real Chicken Coop Groupers! God JR come down and scare the
pee-waddle out of some of these people! So far the only one who has proven anything to be true in here is Rafael. Until I'm proven wrong Rafael, I am
on your side in this matter. There, I have taken a side. And if you don’t like it, lump it you windbags!
So why don't you answer my questions ?
You say Rafael has proven ..... to be true ....
What has he proven and how ?
How do you know that he is the legal owner of the land ?
If you know something we don't, please enlighten us.
This is public information.
There has been published responses to Munoz. La Procuraduría General de Justicia del Estado responded to this case, interestingly he cites the Magna
Carta (natural law) in his explanation and states that this case will not be tried in the media but instead through the legal process required by
those legal entities required to manage this process.
He stated that olivia has previously presented legal copies of ownership of three buildings on the site and has been and was in possession at the time
of the alleged delinquent actions - Aggravated Dispossession, Aggravated Robbery and Threats committed against them by MARIO PEREZ ALAN RIVERA AND
MARY ELIZABETH ESPINOZA MONTAÑO.
"Como se comprometió la actual administración, desde el mes de Abril del 2011 la impartición de Justicia se brinda para proteger las garantías
consagradas en la Carta Magna y el Código Penal y Procedimientos Penales en el Estado sin distinción alguna, dando certeza jurídica a las propiedades
e inversiones en el Estado."
Does this article say that Olivia had legal ownership of 3 homes at the time that Rafael's goons arrived ?
I've seen many of Rafael's claims in various places; mostly things he has written or news accounts to which he has obviously fed information.
I have seen some of the same from Mark and Olivia.
I have seen no evidence that a trial has given either of them satisfaction.
Has there been a final legal decision on any of this ?
All I am going to say is that as of this very moment I am on
the side of Rafael Munoz. As far as I am concerned he has proven he is in the right here --Period End of Report!
Does this article say that Olivia had legal ownership of 3 homes at the time that Rafael's goons arrived ?
I've seen many of Rafael's claims in various places; mostly things he has written or news accounts to which he has obviously fed information.
I have seen some of the same from Mark and Olivia.
I have seen no evidence that a trial has given either of them satisfaction.
Has there been a final legal decision on any of this ?
.
The article states, in the words of the Procuador, olivia demonstrated legal certified copies of legal agraria ownership previously in 2011 which were
accepted by the court and was and is in possession and therefore the alleged offenses by those aggressors are being pursued through normal processes
at the local and state level.
At this time the Federal Police are in BCS in large numbers of special tactical forces in Santa Rosalia, Cabo, La Paz etc... conducting large scale
actions, there is some uncertainty as to what they are doing with large helicopters, full size planes, it's in the news everywhere. I have observed
them in my own neighborhood simply conducting residential traffic calming and of course pursuing race cars on city streets. They seemed o have arrived
with Hilary Clinton but she left and they stayed.
If the Federal police would like to intervene in Munoz case they have the opportunity.
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