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[*] posted on 1-3-2006 at 05:16 PM


Hey Jerry.
Making fun of Skeet after your post almost makes no sense. You got him beat by miles. Btw, when are you getting here to Loreto. As two dumb Dutchmen , we gotta have a cold one together, right. ?? Looking forward to making your acquaintance. Big word, like mountain or elephant:P:P:P
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[*] posted on 1-3-2006 at 05:27 PM


were leavin on the 7th in a big moterhome and tow i expect we will get there on the10th or 11??im in no hurry once i get below the boarder spelling just a awaist of time for me if ya dont know what im talking about you will get over it have a good one jerry



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[*] posted on 1-3-2006 at 05:32 PM


ill be looking you up when i get settelled in
i have known your nabor phil s for about 40 yrs
see ya




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[*] posted on 1-3-2006 at 05:52 PM


Jerry...
Met Phil and his wife last time we went down to buy. Great folks.




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[*] posted on 1-3-2006 at 06:01 PM


there good ppl phill had a office right around the corner from my first apartment in the big city of oakland oregon



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[*] posted on 1-3-2006 at 06:08 PM


cinco you gonna be in the naborhood in jan first part of feb?? ill try to look u up too i been antsy toget out of here for the last 3 months just a few days now
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[*] posted on 1-4-2006 at 09:24 AM


Jerry. You guys have a great time down in the motorhome. Best check with him to see how much brake lining is left before you leave. The Santa Rosalia hill coming down is a killer. And I use the term loosely. I remember "fading" out my brakes in my 96 Dodge pickup in 96 when we brought down our 28' tow trailer. Auto transmission, so didn't have the luxury of being able to "down shift".
Ahhhhhhhhhhh. Historic Oakland Oregon. A lifetime ago!!!!!!Jerry V.D. Danny Thomas. Jugs Gardner. And a few others that "didn't make it"!!!!!
See you guys when I get down there. Surgery has been rescheduled again for the third time. Can't seem to shake this danged chest cold. Supposed to be the 6th now. Hold your breath. Come to think of it. You'll be holding your breath going down S.R. hill toooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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[*] posted on 1-4-2006 at 09:33 AM


i wish you the best on your surgery phill and ill keep one on ice for ya and wendy
and danny tegen rented with me long time ago.
my first trip drivin to loreto was in a 30 ft moterhome loaded to the gills towing a pickup with a boat on top moter in the back it took a hour to cool down the breaks when i slipped down that hill and its still in loreto and i brought one other moterhome down since ill be disconecting the tow and drivin it seperatly have a good one jerry




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[*] posted on 1-5-2006 at 02:41 AM
Somehow, don't sell out. Somehow


I am new to this site, but am amazed at the community and knowledge here. I'm not someone who posts things and I appologize for the length here, but lets just see what happens.

I am 40, just retired (not rich, just hopefully smart; my moto = wana get rich quick lower your material standards). I am a person that follows my "inner drive" and have been "inner driven" for about 6 months to cruise the baja and see if that is a place I would like to spend my winters with my wife and 10yo son. Buy something?

I then found out through my studies that my thinking obviously is not unique. Loreto was where my homing device is calling, but then I read about this mass development and the obvious inherant issues.

My profession has always been basically a "Solutions Engineer", I belive a true solution is comes from a triange of success. Each coner of the triangle represent the participants (one is always the Earth/Sustainability) and in order for true success to occure, everything needs to remain in balance. That means no one corner trys to pull from the others to increase their share.

So the question that keeps teasing me is this; There must be some way that Gringo's like me could basically buy into property within these desired areas in partnership with the Native owners? Seems many Natives would (are/will) otherwise find them selves working for the people they previously sold out to, and only gaining the one time benefit($) from basically selling the control of Homeland. Ancient histories taken over and rulled by Condo owners within a ten year period seems like suicide. Someting along these lines seems a much more viable option. And since most future residences would not be full time, why could we not occupy more of a slice of what we came for than the pie we are trying to get away from? I envision something like having my accomidations on part of an estate where I have improved the property of the Native owners in exchange.

I know my thinking is different, but it has always paid off for me. Somehow mysteriously, by not looking out for myself first all the time, I have more than I could ever respecfully ask for.

Let me know any opinions on this approach. Take the idea farther. I am willing to try something different, esspecially if it could prove to be a good example. I don't want to ruin a culture, just get out of the rain and suround my family with a "better" pace and community.

As it rains here in Seattle I will be packing up my motorhome. I am thinking of slowly cruising to La Paz and taking the ferry across, then driving up the other side. I have never been to Mexico, really looking forward to this.

Hope you didnt get 2 shaken from the earthquake. How common is that? Very cool forum, thanks for your time and hope it doent come off 2 weird, but oh well.

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[*] posted on 1-5-2006 at 12:08 PM


You have a lot of good points - which have essentially all been discussed before. A few comments: the "natives" did not sell out for the LB project. The land was FONATUR regulated and it WAS a beautiful, undeveloped beach.
"I envision something like having my accomidations on part of an estate where I have improved the property of the Native owners in exchange." Wouldn't it have been nice if LB did the same thing instead of ruining the very unique landscape it hopes to fill with 6,000 adobe structures. Instead, LB could have been built on the other side of the highway in Loreto. But you are on track and it can be done. And other locales in Mexico offer a lot more than Baja - price-wise and other amenities and ambiance as well. Do some research.
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