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The whale observations at Point Loma may fluctuate naturally, but you can't rule out harrasment. There are many private and chartered and public whale
watching craft out there most every day, and surely not all are behaving responsibly.
There is also the fact that the sewage from around a million people passes through a pipe from the treatment plant within about a mile of the
observation point to the coastal kelp beds offshore . Maybe the whales get tired of swimming through all that s*#t.
There has also been large-scale kelp harvesting right there for some time. This is noisy and probably annoying to the very sound sensitive whales.
The 200 or so miles from north of San Fernando Valley to south of Ensenada is populated by more than 10 million people. All of their hustle bustle,
noise, and rubbish may just have become an issue to migrating whales.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by elgatoloco
Bruce, you should read his book. It is a good read. |
please u2u me the info on the book. |
The book is Eye of The Whale by Dick Russell. You can buy it on-line from http://www.bajabooksandmaps.com/ 
He follows the whale's migration from Scammon's lagoon up to Alaska and blends current events and history about the gray whale. It's really a good
book.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tehag
The whale observations at Point Loma may fluctuate naturally, but you can't rule out harrasment. There are many private and chartered and public whale
watching craft out there most every day, and surely not all are behaving responsibly.
There is also the fact that the sewage from around a million people passes through a pipe from the treatment plant within about a mile of the
observation point to the coastal kelp beds offshore . Maybe the whales get tired of swimming through all that s*#t.
There has also been large-scale kelp harvesting right there for some time. This is noisy and probably annoying to the very sound sensitive whales.
The 200 or so miles from north of San Fernando Valley to south of Ensenada is populated by more than 10 million people. All of their hustle bustle,
noise, and rubbish may just have become an issue to migrating whales. |
Too many boats/people/pollution should not be ruled out. It is interesting to note the whales were passing these coasts when the Channel Islands were
not islands but connected to the mainland. Who is to say that the whales are not just following some long forgotten instinct when they decide to head
further offshore? It is a complex situation and we can never really know, until we can talk to them.
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Eye of The Whale by Dick Russell
One of many interesting parts of the book is when Russell recounts the hitory of Charles Melville Scammon who goes from being mostly responsible for
the near extinction of the gray whale thru is discovery of the calving grounds in baja to being the biggest advocate of banning whaling. Scammon also
kept a very precise log of the marine mammals of the eastern pacific that is to this day used for reference by scholars.
Yet another part of the book that we enjoyed was learning the true story about the painted rocks on the side of the hill south of cottage cheese
beach.
Check it out.
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I have meaning to invest in a good digital camera with the best photo quality zoom when back stateside. Any more recommendations on such a camera
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Pompano
Take a look at the Nikon D70.
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Thanks, Ken...will do. I will look forward to trying it out. I have a friend who sells electron microscopes for Nikon and will ask her for a deal on
a D70.
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Back on the subject of whales...I think that there is indeed a great difference in whale attitudes when it comes to approaching them in a calving
place AND in a hunting place. Naturally, they are in different behavioural situations.
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I think I saw Tecate " CIRCULACION " signs in the ocean around Monterey. Makes sense, for most individuals with any sense, avoid the sewer called "
the inland empire " any chance they get.
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not sure how they go about counting the whales or when they stop, but..
I saw at least twenty five grey whales go down the back side of Anacapa Isl. off of ventura county today. Definately heading south...TT
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I just read where the grey whale count was about 17,000 in 1979 and is somewhere around 25,000 today. Things are improving, it appears. Bueno
suerte, ballenas!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by elgatoloco
The book is Eye of The Whale by Dick Russell. You can buy it on-line from http://www.bajabooksandmaps.com/
He follows the whale's migration from Scammon's lagoon up to Alaska and blends current events and history about the gray whale. It's really a good
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Thanks for the link, I picked it up today.
Also, this has been a good debate. My 2 cents: I think the negative impacts that the whale watching operations might have are negated by the better
understanding about nature the particpants will have afterward. Anyone that has seen the whales up close cannot help but be inspired to protect them
and their environment.
[Edited on 2-15-2006 by ursidae69]
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Very good insight u-69..For me personally the impact of petting the whales myself and then seeing my 3 year old Daughter hug a new born whale was
intense.When we got home from that trip I immediately became involved in helping to slow Mitsubishi's salt works plan..I found myself angry that San
Ignacio lagoon was threatened by something like this.
I think overall the conditions in the eastern Pacific and the cyclic nature of the oceans have a much greater impact on the whales than watching them
in the lagoons...why would a mother shove her calf into a boat full of tourists if she felt threatened??
Powerful stuff!
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that is the point . maybe she will push in to a boat full of people with harpoons next time.
it is never a good thing to teach wildlife to trust Man.
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I'm pretty sure we have a handle on whaling efforts in the lagoons don't we??
Haven't heard any reports of "friendly" whale activity anywhere but the lagoons.
I don't see the "point" of a harpoon in the lagoon any time soon..not even on the next bloo moon...
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where do thay go when thay leave the Lagoons?
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Whale watching is a major 'business' now worldwide. It is all about tourist money these days...not whale oil and perfume additives. Thank Neptune
that as more people see more whales, fall in love with the idea of perpetuating the species, and contribute time and money to that affect...we will
have whales in our future.
Meanwhile... troubles in Tonga.
http://www.sicri.org/assets/downloads/SICRI05_PDF/SICRI2005_...
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I think that the people that shot the whales with paint balls are doing the wales a better favor than those that are petting them.
whale watching is good.
whale interaction is bad
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
I think that the people that shot the whales with paint balls are doing the wales a better favor than those that are petting them.
whale watching is good.
whale interaction is bad |
While I see your point and agree to some extent, I think you should give the animals a little more credit. They can associate places with danger.
Just because you pet a whale in Baja does not mean the whale will want to get petted by whalers with harpoons in Alaska. They learn the dangers in a
particular area. As an example, look at deer or elk, I see them all the time, sometimes I get pretty close on hikes, but once hunting season starts,
they are GONE! I think the animals have a little more intelligence than we give them credit for.
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"where do they go when they leave the lagoons?"
That's my "point"...There have been no reports of friendly activity outside the lagoons!!
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Intelligence?? I agree, ursidae99
"As an example, look at deer or elk, I see them all the time, sometimes I get pretty close on hikes, but once hunting season starts, they are GONE! I
think the animals have a little more intelligence than we give them credit for."
And sometimes we give hunters TOO MUCH credit for intelligence...!!
[Edited on 2-15-2006 by Pompano]
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