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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by PovertyBay
Do you suppose that the citizens of New Orleans thought they were faced with an UN-ACCEPTABLE risk, pre-Katrina? |
I hope so they talked about it for years before it finally happened. then they had a 7 day notice and they stayed anyway.
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by PovertyBay
Do you suppose that the citizens of New Orleans thought they were faced with an UN-ACCEPTABLE risk, pre-Katrina? |
Which potentially unacceptable risk are you referring to......living there or fleeing their homes, in the face of the evacuation orders?
In both cases, I guess I wouldn't know. You'd have to ask them.
I am asking the people affected by THIS disaster.
You appear to be fishing for a political fight, IMO.....
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
Yes, I lost a gamble. Humbling but not ending. |
Did you really? Maybe it was just a high-rent district. How many years did you enjoy there?
--Larry |
the correct verb should not be "did" but rather, "will", Larry. Hopefully many more, were not out of the game yet. And I should have stated "we".
Hook, please excuse my retort, been a bad week.
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Rebuilding in a flood zone. #1 Get the elevations. Maximum height of any previous flood events. #2 Build with that in mind. Have friends that lived on
a flood plane, their house was on pilings. They came and went by boat for X number of days every year. The situation along the river in Mulege is
different, a short term event, but the river will spill out of it's banks. Two weeks or two hours, if you're not prepared, the results will be the
same. My sentiments to any and all that are udergoing the painful process of cleanup etc. in the aftermath of John.
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risks
we use to live in the sierra nevada moutains, every summer we where faced with forest fires and we were close to evacuation many times.
the people in san fransico face the risk of "the big one" at anytime, and it happens (i think they rebuild everytime)
midwest has tornadoes.
i think i will stay in mulege, for reasons to many to explain!!
Want what you have
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Poverty Bay;
Born and Raised in the Rattlesnake Capitol of the World.Been handling RattleSnakes since I was about 5 years old- No Bites yet-Now 75 yrs. Young!
Survived the 1949 Toronado in Amarillo Texas -7 people died-I was in the Middle of it and observed a Story and a Half of a House go over the Car I
was in.
Helped save a Young Man when a Flash Flood came across Hwy 40 near Seligman AZ.
Survived the Earthquake in Oakland/San Francisco.
Survived Hurricane Lisa in 1976 setting in a Motorhome in Loreto.
Does the above Experience qualify me as a "Lay Person"
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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mulege marv
we use to live in the sierra nevada moutains, every summer we where faced with forest fires and we were close to evacuation many times.
the people in san fransico face the risk of "the big one" at anytime, and it happens (i think they rebuild everytime)
midwest has tornadoes.
i think i will stay in mulege, for reasons to many to explain!! |
good for you Marv. 1 year from now Mulege is going to be better than ever, and the economy is already booming.
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Hook -- I thought you started off this thread with some good, if difficult, questions:
“Why is it, then, that people continue to rebuild along that stretch? Are they so tied to the land through the title/lease, whether they be Mexican or
gringo, that they really have no choice but to tempt fate again?
I read that an elementary school and adjacent secondary school were also devastated. I don’t think they were along the river but they were clearly in
harms way. Can you imagine what might have happened if this had not occurred on a Sunday morning? Is there any thought to relocating those schools?”
All I’m saying is that we tend to build and re-build in places like this partly out of the indomitable human spirit, but also partly out of a lack of
understanding about (or refusal to acknowledge and accept) the risks involved. Rather than criticizing the choices that some would make, I’m
lamenting the fact that they don’t know the whole story at the time they make the choices, but have to live with the consequences anyway. Skeet is
obviously an “expert” when it comes to facing and surviving natural hazards, and he has an admirable outlook on life. However, when deciding whether
to build, where to build and how to build in a flood-prone area, he might benefit greatly if he were also an expert in floodplain hydraulics and
hydrology. (Perhaps he is and just hasn’t confessed.) There are professionals who devote their entire careers to this endeavor, and have access to
powerful technology and historical records that they can analyze in gory detail. Again, all I’m saying is that, in the absence of this latter kind of
expertise, we should be very careful in making decisions relating to living with natural hazards. My comment regarding New Orleans was meant to point
out that the citizens there were comfortable with their lot prior to Katrina, and they knew quite a bit about the risks there because of a long flood
history. They thought they knew enough about the risks, which appeared to be acceptable, so people chose to live and develop there. Turns out they
didn’t know as much as they thought they did. That doesn’t mean that New Orleans, or Mulege, shouldn’t be re-built, but we should think long and hard
about how, and to what degree re-building should occur.
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Bay: Excellent words. However we sometimes forget that there are "Sharks" out there who sell Property to the Popluace who are taken in by the Sales
Pitch--Around Seattle Wa. where many homes were built and Sold in a Swamp--
Malbu Beach- Homes built on a Cliff-Later to Fall.
Very good Ideas, but the General Public is not interested in the Location other than the Cultural/Prestige etc.Good Ideas!
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Bruce R Leech
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Hook you posted about The logic of rebuilding along Rio Mulege.
there are all kinds of people in this world and they live there lives in all kinds of deferent ways. and I no any one else is able to say which is the
right way only what works for me. I have always been the practical type of person. but I know many who are more romantic or more risk takers and I
often admire these people and there life stiles.
A good Life is not how many breaths you take it is how many times Beautiful things or People have taken your breath away .
[Edited on 9-14-2006 by Bruce R Leech]
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I think if I already had property in Mulege - my stance would be to rebuild on piers in the flood zone but rebuild the schools on high ground!
-Cat
Fate Smiles as Destiny laughs!
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“Why is it, then, that people continue to rebuild along that stretch? Are they so tied to the land through the title/lease, whether they be Mexican or
gringo, that they really have no choice but to tempt fate again?"
You are so far off there is no way to give you a clue.
I have not said anything yet, but I am waiting for someone like you ready to fire sale so I can move in. Life is only what you want it to be. I
suggest Baja is to much of a risk for you.
I have a feeling there will not be many sales. I am sure you will not understand that.
[Edited on 9-14-2006 by Al G]
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Al G:/Hook
I will take all Bets that Mulege will rebuild, it will even be Bigger and Better in the next few years.
There are some who are "Leaders and Risk Takers, There are others who are "Followers" such as "Monday Morning Quarterbacks" !
Spectators and Participants.
Which shall you Be????.
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I'm all for rebuilding, but build with memories of "John" and thoughts of future storms in mind. The structures thats survived will face the same or
more extensive damage in future storms. The next weather event could be worse. 
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Bruce R Leech
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Mulege will be better than ever in less than 1 year
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Al G
“Why is it, then, that people continue to rebuild along that stretch? Are they so tied to the land through the title/lease, whether they be Mexican or
gringo, that they really have no choice but to tempt fate again?"
You are so far off there is no way to give you a clue.
I have not said anything yet, but I am waiting for someone like you ready to fire sale so I can move in. Life is only what you want it to be. I
suggest Baja is to much of a risk for you.
I have a feeling there will not be many sales. I am sure you will not understand that.
[Edited on 9-14-2006 by Al G] |
Although I did not directly say, but this reply was directed to Poverty Bay. I used Hook's quote to say I am one that would build wisely in an area as
is Mulege'
Albert G
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When you say "wisely"
Do you mean up in the desert away from the rio and shade or do you mean like; build a stout house with a high loft? Curious.
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Al G:
I'm all in favor of wise building. I hope you are able to do so in a way that will safely allow you to continue to enjoy the wonders of Mulege.
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Building wisely is not building ground level on a flood plain. What's so hard about that to understand?  
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Many of you are assuming that I dont think Mulege will rebuild. No, I think they will. Just looking for their motivation on why they plan on
rebuilding in the same location.
So far, the responses have been insurance allows it, the location is worth the risk and something along the old mantra of never investing more than
you can afford to lose.
What about the lease/title issue? How much does being committed to a lease affect your thinkiing? Is it so much that you really cant walk away? I
haven't a clue what land is like down by the river, in terms of cost.
Particularly curious about the situation in the Orchard Vacation Village. I wasn't real clear on what that was when they began marketing it as such. I
only went there when it was Huerta Saucedo RV Park. Is it now a time share kind of thing? Who is responsible for the rebuilding?
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